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God didnt tell us to do that. Man but you can get plumb fughking off the wall crazy dreaming up your boss' satanic crap to put in His mouth to try to suck others into your misery.

I posted the chapter, Numbers 31, straight from the King James Bible.

The example is very clear.

Oh yeah, the captive virgin just having seen her people and her family butchered would be so very happy to marry the conquering hero.

The degree of denial on display by believers when it comes to bible atrocities and ancient tribal morality is mind boggling.

Here's another contradiction.

The death penalty ordered by God for gathering firewood on the wrong day.

Stoned to death for gathering sticks on a Sabbath.



''While the people of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man gathering sticks on the Sabbath day. 33 And those who found him gathering sticks brought him to Moses and Aaron and to all the congregation. 34 They put him in custody, because it had not been made clear what should be done to him. 35 And the LORD said to Moses, The man shall be put to death; all the congregation shall stone him with stones outside the camp.” 36 And all the congregation brought him outside the camp and stoned him to death with stones, as the LORD commanded Moses.'' Numbers 15:32-36.

Tell that guy about the God of Love and Tender mercy;


The LORD is good to all: and his tender mercies are over all his works. << Psalm 145:9 >>

Nope it was proven that wherever they remained they became enemies.

The Psalmist who wrote that was under the law and in another Psalm said oh how I love your law. They saw no contradiction.

By what moral law that was in effect. The inability to grasp the simple logic of ancient times is mind boggling.

In warfare etiquette of those days such an offer of status was very unusual. Typically they became sex slaves in the morality of other nations. The inability of you guys to understand ancient times is rather stark. And you act as though we are talking about whether it is right today. You guys wouldn't have lasted very long back then in any culture.

What you fail to consider is that we are not discussing ''the moral law in effect'' as displayed by the people in that time and place, but the moral values of God as described in the bible, especially the dichotomy between the new testament version of god and the war god of the tribe of Israel, Yahweh. That is the contradiction.

That same Bible explains two covenants something the western nations have known for years but which is being lost on the new breed of biblically illiterate liberals. Our founders understood this concept quite well. As Roger Williams pointed out ...wherever Christian's were persecuting others they were justifying it under the OT and obsolete covenant. The American experience focused their moral understanding on the universal morality of the 10 commandments and the morals of Jesus. Perhaps a primer in American moral thinking would be helpful.

I find it very interesting to note the alleged distress over OT morality in the Jewish culture, but no distress over a worse morality in the surrounding nations of that time, and no distress over the current moral decline being promoted by these same skeptics in our time. The logical inconsistency is very evident.

What is interesting is the lack of distress towards the time dependent morality of a timeless God. That is the very evident inconsistency.

Show the proof.

In my view, you have pretty much right in the money with your responses.

These hidebound skeptics that show up.....,the seagulls....are simply sitting in their own judgment of God. They are actually “judging” God. Of course, this doesn’t turn out to well for them.

One clear example of misguided thinking is this “gathering of sticks” issue. The stick gather is not judged for the mere act of gathering wood, he is judged for clearly and willfully disobeying God. If you will, “sticking his finger up at God.”

The seagulls want to continue in their sin, continue in their rebellion and continue to behave as it they will not be held accountable.

I have heard many versions of the “God failed to convince me” excuse over the years.

Anyway, one clear teaching that the seagulls apparently don’t see is that God....the Law.... does not tolerate sin. Sin is not tolerated in heaven. This should give them a sobering thought. Apparently it does not. Tragic.

They will not see the light until..... now or later..... until they feel the heat.



Oh, also, the seagulls are apparently pacifists. They do not believe in survival by way of war. They should study history. When someone harms you or your children, retaliatory responses are appropriate.

What happened to them?

I'm wondering if we will get any hand-wringing over the Assyrian brutality of war in honor to their gods. While Israel's occupation campaign was limited to a specific time and geographical boundaries the Assyrians plundered with impunity.
Let the moral outrage begin with the Assyrians

According to the narrative representations on these reliefs, the Assyrians never lost a battle. Indeed, no Assyrian
soldier is ever shown wounded or killed. The benevolence of the gods is always bestowed on the Assyrian king
and his troops.
Like the official written records, the scenes and figures are selected and arranged to record the king’s heroic
deeds and to describe him as “beloved of the gods”:
“The king, who acts with the support of the great gods his lords and has conquered all
lands, gained dominion over all highlands and received their tribute, captures of hostages,
he who is victorious over all countries.” †
The inscriptions and the pictorial evidence both provide detailed information regarding the Assyrian treatment
of conquered peoples, their armies and their rulers. In his official royal inscriptions, Ashurnasirpal II calls
himself the “trampler of all enemies … who defeated all his enemies [and] hung the corpses of his enemies on
posts.” † The treatment of captured enemies often depended on their readiness to submit themselves to the will
of the Assyrian king:
“The nobles [and] elders of the city came out to me to save their lives. They seized my
feet and said: ‘If it pleases you, kill! If it pleases you, spare! If it pleases you, do what
you will!’” †
In one case when a city resisted as long as possible instead of immediately submitting, Ashurnasirpal proudly
records his punishment:

Assyrian headhunters gather their trophies. In a relief from
Sennacherib’s palace at Nineveh, two scribes, standing side by side at
right, record the number of the enemy slain in a campaign in southern
Mesopotamia. Heads lie in a heap at their feet. The foreground scribe
uses pen and ink on a leather scroll; the other scribe writes with a stylus
on a hinged writing-board coated with wax.

“I flayed as many nobles as had rebelled against me [and] draped their skins over the pile
[of corpses]; some I spread out within the pile, some I erected on stakes upon the pile … I
flayed many right through my land [and] draped their skins over the walls.” †
The account was probably intended not only to describe what had happened, but also to frighten anyone who
might dare to resist. To suppress his enemies was the king’s divine task. Supported by the gods, he always had
to be victorious in battle and to punish disobedient people:
“I felled 50 of their fighting men with the sword, burnt 200 captives from them, [and]
defeated in a battle on the plain 332 troops. … With their blood I dyed the mountain red
like red wool, [and] the rest of them the ravines [and] torrents of the mountain
swallowed. I carried off captives [and] possessions from them. I cut off the heads of their
fighters [and] built [therewith] a tower before their city. I burnt their adolescent boys
[and] girls.” †
A description of another conquest is even worse:
“In strife and conflict I besieged [and] conquered the city. I felled 3,000 of their fighting
men with the sword … I captured many troops alive: I cut off of some their arms [and]
hands; I cut off of others their noses, ears, [and] extremities. I gouged out the eyes of
many troops. I made one pile of the living [and] one of heads. I hung their heads on trees
around the city.” †

https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/f4af/bb82f1b7920fa9444e29eb128bd13832cd46.pdf





How cruel were the New Assyrian Kings? What were there reasons? And finally, what were the effects of such cruelty they exemplified?

Many Kings of Assyrian had displayed proudly their cruelty towards their enemies. Sometimes in reliefs or in their annals, New Assyrian gave detail of their gory exploits against their opponents. King Ashurnasirpal laid out many of his sadistic activities in one of his annals. He liked burning, skinning, and decapitating his enemies. When he defeated a rebelling city, he made sure they pay a huge price. Disobedient cities were destroyed and razed to the ground with fire, with their wealth and all material riches taken by the king. Their youth and women were either burned alive or made into slaves or placed into the harem. In the City of Nistun, Ashurnasirpal showed how he cut of the heads of 260 rebelling soldiers and piled it together. Their leader named Bubu suffered horrific punishment. He was flayed and his skin was placed in the walls of Arbail. In the city of Suri, rebelling nobles were also skinned and were displayed like trophies. Some skin were left to rot but some were placed in a stake. Officials of the city suffered decapitation of their limbs. The leader of the Suri rebellion, Ahiyababa, underwent flaying and his skin was then placed in the walls of Niniveh. After Ashurnasirpal defeated the city of Tila, he ordered to cut the hands and feet of the soldiers of the fallen city. Other than that, some soldiers found themselves without noses and ears. But also, many defeated soldiers had their eyes gouged out. The heads of the leaders of the Tila were hang in the trees around the city.

Ashurnasirpal was not alone in having a psychotic mind. Many of his successors followed his brutality towards enemies. Shalmaneser III had 20,500 enemy soldiers killed by arrow fire. Rebelling cities were “dug up” and burned with fire. Usually, surrounding towns of the unlucky city also suffered the same fate. Shalmaneser III also illustrated in his relief and carvings how he burned the children of defeated cities. Moreover, he ordered the beheading of the soldiers of disloyal cities and made a pyramid from the heads at the gates of the defeated cities. One time, after he defeated the rebelling city of Arzaskhu, he fastened people alive in the pyramids of heads alongside with pole, which had also alive captured soldiers dangling.
https://searchinginhistory.blogspot.com/2015/02/cruelty-instrument-of-assyrian-control.html

Non participants in the kingdom of God. By their own choices.

Non participants now and then forever if they do not seek God......

What is so unwell about that?