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Q: Who runs Green Decoys? A: The Public Relations firm Bergman & Co.

Who funds the PR firm of Bergman and Co. to run Green Decoys, one of dozens of such fronts run by Bergman?


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Is anyone actually surprised that BHA would back Democrats in elections?

Wilderness advocates have found a way to make outdoorsmen fund the fight to keep control out of the hands of locals, all with the dire warning of public lands being liquidated to developers.

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Originally Posted by SBTCO
The big fear of the feds transferring land to the states is the states will then sell the land to private interests or resource extraction/developers etc. forever destroying public use of those lands.

If anything it would be easier from the fed perspective, especially considering our debts owed to so many around the world.

So the $64,000 question is, what stops the feds from doing the same thing?


Well, if you're looking for precedent, the Feds did sell a bit off over the years. 270 million acres as part of the Homestead acts alone. In fact, they gave most of that away for free shocked

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Originally Posted by BuzzH

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Randy offered Rosendale the same platform...and he chose not to participate.

If Rosendale was such a champion of MY PUBLIC LANDS, wouldn't you think he would want to use any and all platforms to get that message out?

Rosendale was done before he started, and if not for the Trump machine spending massive tax payer dollars campaigning on his behalf...it wouldn't have been a "squeaker of a win".

Its embarrassing how much money, lots of it taxpayer money, the R's blew on Rosendale and still lost.

The one thing for certain, is that even though you think that public land transfer, which is part of the RNC platform, is not an issue...there is no doubt it is. That issue will continue to sway elections across the West. Those that think its "fake" are going to be on the losing end of a lot of elections. Count on it.


Buzzy,

Never said Rosendale was anything but better than Tester.

You are spot on with the blown money issue as more buck were spent per vote in MT than the Cruz/Beto race in TX. laugh

The public land selloff idea was brilliant and the Republican tards in UT that fueled the narrative deserve special derision.

Land did good work for his bosses and delivered a win in MT and a slap in Trumps face.

No mention of Tester's hand picked 9th Circuit judge stopping Wyoming's Grizzly hunt. shocked

You fellers did good work for your side in MT this year, I am just not letting it go past without a bit of daylight.

Notice has been served.

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Originally Posted by deflave
Ben O'Brien is now a producer for Steve Rinella's show and if you listen to that guy your warm and fuzzies will disappear quickly.

He claims to have created the "Pro-Nuance/Anti-Bullschit" slogan used by the show. Yet whenever someone talks gun control or wanting to shoot an elephant, he stays very fugking clear of nuance.

Rinella is personable and came up with a good show but he's the last guy I want advocating for anything politically. In interviews he allows anti-gun sentiments to cruise right by and he doesn't do a good job of defending all types of hunting. He will defend baiting and the use of dogs but he isn't horribly articulate about it and he approaches everything from a "please understand so I can keep doing this" approach. He and his show are in bed with the anti-gun community. Period.

He can use examples like Fox News as never being influenced by left leaning sponsors but he only displays his own naivety when he does so.

I for one DO NOT want more hunters. I would much rather see hunters get on a unified front with companies in the renewable resource business and make compromises with those demographics than some left leaning cock sucker that has only one goal.



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Rogan's a double edged sword.

A lot of those comedians are.


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Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual.
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Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit.
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deflave he has one edge! And it isn't pro hunting and 2A. Ben O'Brian, Rogan, Newburg, and Rinella are all cut from the same cloth. Rogan bags on pretty much all African hunting, He never ever defends 2A. Add that interview with Dudley and I say good riddance to to Rogan. He blatantly said I don't care about your hunting spot, if you take me there I can do what I want. I would never disrespect another persons hunting spot that they scouted, hunted, and allowed me to go to with them. Never would I go there without asking them first, and never would I take another person. Rogan is a POS.


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I've heard him defend the 2nd more than once he just does it in an uneducated way.

What he does do that I think is helpful is he rails against the SJW, left wing nonsense in an open forum.

I would agree though that he isn't doing anything good for hunting or the 2nd. On those two platforms he is idiotic. But at the same time, nobody ever explains it to him either. Because the "experts" he surrounds himself on these subjects are guys like O'Douche and Rinella.


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Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual.
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Originally Posted by deflave
I've heard him defend the 2nd more than once he just does it in an uneducated way.

What he does do that I think is helpful is he rails against the SJW, left wing nonsense in an open forum.

I would agree though that he isn't doing anything good for hunting or the 2nd. On those two platforms he is idiotic. But at the same time, nobody ever explains it to him either. Because the "experts" he surrounds himself on these subjects are guys like O'Douche and Rinella.



I agree all but the 2A part. He has a platform that could do serious damage to anti-hunting and anti-2A. Yet he screws it up every chance he gets. I lost every once of respect I had for him after listening to the Dudley interview.


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Originally Posted by MontanaCreekHunter


I agree all but the 2A part. He has a platform that could do serious damage to anti-hunting and anti-2A. Yet he screws it up every chance he gets. I lost every once of respect I had for him after listening to the Dudley interview.


I don't know that I have heard that one.

I haven't watched the one with Nugent either because I can't listen to Nugent for more than five minutes. Even though I agree with pretty much everything he says.


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Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual.
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I can't listen to Ted either.


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The Nugent one post above is pretty tolerable as far as Ted goes and I find him pretty hard to listen to most the time.

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Well, I had a lengthy response written, but it seems to have disappeared.

Coles Notes, Backcountry Hunters and Anglers were handpicked as the only "hunting" group to consult with the leftist NDP government of Alberta on the locking up of a huge area called the Bighorn. The Y2Y Initiative is involved, they want no industry or human occupation so animals like grizzly bears can wander freely from Yellowstone to the Yukon, maintaining (they claim) genetic diversity. The NDP say hunting and shooting will be allowed, but they are creating numerous provincial parks etc. And severly limiting access to the region. If you aren't a 25 year old backpacker, you probably can't hack it and access most of the area.

You can know a group by the company they keep. The BHA, by aligning themselves with the NDP, and Y2Y, is not on the side of hunters and shooters, but on the side of elitist backpackers and preservationists. No you cannot use horses etc in most areas.

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LOL, why do you say that?



A.) You're both gay.
B.) You defend his safe space with vigor.


My comments on that other thread had nothing to do with Jeff, or being his "friend." They had everything to do with asking (politely) a couple of douchenozzles to keep their juvenile personal attacks and insults off a thread that had gone on for a couple years without their bullsh**.



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Aw, after reading this thread (thanks Steelie) I really enjoyed it.
As for Brad's attacks on the Green Decoy's paper, those funding streams are documentable, and no sportsman would ever like what entities like Wilburforce fund otherwise. Go to www.guidestar.org, register (free) and you can download the Form 990 returns which, way in the back of usually hundreds of pages, documents donations made.
Yes, paid PR people at Green Decoys were hired to do the research, and it honestly would be nice to know the funder. But public records show the leanings of this Chernin guy. He's a Bolshevik. Period. And while Rinella can claim he's still got "creative control" the sick reality is, Chernin's group would not invest without some kind of due diligence. Chernin or his advisors really like the shape of Rinella's narrative, and thats why they throw down, just like the funders of BHA like what BHA paid staff say to the public.
I'm glad the Federalist saw fit to look into Chernin's investment. Hope he loses it in the end.


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Originally Posted by Dave_Skinner
Aw, after reading this thread (thanks Steelie) I really enjoyed it.
As for Brad's attacks on the Green Decoy's paper, those funding streams are documentable, and no sportsman would ever like what entities like Wilburforce fund otherwise. Go to www.guidestar.org, register (free) and you can download the Form 990 returns which, way in the back of usually hundreds of pages, documents donations made.
Yes, paid PR people at Green Decoys were hired to do the research, and it honestly would be nice to know the funder. But public records show the leanings of this Chernin guy. He's a Bolshevik. Period. And while Rinella can claim he's still got "creative control" the sick reality is, Chernin's group would not invest without some kind of due diligence. Chernin or his advisors really like the shape of Rinella's narrative, and thats why they throw down, just like the funders of BHA like what BHA paid staff say to the public.
I'm glad the Federalist saw fit to look into Chernin's investment. Hope he loses it in the end.


Aren't you a shill for the Timber industry...or are you still pretending to be a journalist.

You always seem to assign a negative motive to anyone who may not have a black and white view of issues. People can align to a common goal with out "strings" being pulled.

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The US left used to deny that they were anti-American, anti-white, anti-male, anti-Christian, pro-socialist, anti-free speexh. But now many openly advocate all these things and it’s spread to the mainstream left. And the Democrats candidates cannot pander hard enough.

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The left, democrats, liberals, communist, socialist, islamites, the news media, and globalist want power/control of the American people. They hate Americans, the Constitution, and the USA. They are all enemies and traitors of America. They are using immigration/illegals to change the demographics of our once great nation. Globalists are turning it into a 2nd rate country they can control. That is the end game! Educated Christians which can think and have guns cannot be controlled by government.

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