Christians claim that the holy Spirit makes them way smarter, even supernatural wisdom.
so how is it some self contradictory bumbling fool CF christians are about as bright as the evangelist that didn't know common commercial shelf bananas are result of many years of scientific gene shuffling hybridization efforts.?
Such are the self convinced delusional clown types that like to tell atheists, agnostics and even other christians,
about the superiority of what they 'know' .. because of their relationship with God.
-Bulletproof and Waterproof don't mean Idiotproof.
They did a whole lot more than just slander during the Inquisition. We know how Christians behave when they have unfettered power, they commit atrocities on the same scale as Stalin and Mao, but don't worry, Thunderstick will be along soon with his "No True Scottsman" Fallacy to tell how the leaders of the Inquisition didn't really believe they were Christians.....
No, we know how humans behave when they have unfettered power. Claiming Christianity means nothing. Walking that walk means everything. Obviously then, inquisitor's were not Christian, regardless of what they claimed.
Who are you to say they were not Christian?
Did they believe they were serving God?
Were their actions sanctioned by the religious leaders, including the Popes of their time?
The odds are that if we are living in a created World - however unlikely - it's more probable to be one of countless Worlds being generated by a Super Civilization and Quantum computing than anything Supernatural.
Either that, or, perhaps they don't even know they are creating these worlds. Think of the millions of tiny blackhole created every second by the LHC. Who know's what kinds of experiments could be run by a highly advanced civilization, and what those results might be. Not much point in praying to the grad student behind the switch
You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it.
You cannot over estimate the unimportance of nearly everything. John Maxwell
They did a whole lot more than just slander during the Inquisition. We know how Christians behave when they have unfettered power, they commit atrocities on the same scale as Stalin and Mao, but don't worry, Thunderstick will be along soon with his "No True Scottsman" Fallacy to tell how the leaders of the Inquisition didn't really believe they were Christians.....
No, we know how humans behave when they have unfettered power. Claiming Christianity means nothing. Walking that walk means everything. Obviously then, inquisitor's were not Christian, regardless of what they claimed.
Who are you to say they were not Christian?
Did they believe they were serving God?
Were their actions sanctioned by the religious leaders, including the Popes of their time?
I didn't make the statement you quoted.
Originally Posted by Thunderstick
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They did a whole lot more than just slander during the Inquisition. We know how Christians behave when they have unfettered power, they commit atrocities on the same scale as Stalin and Mao, but don't worry, Thunderstick will be along soon with his "No True Scottsman" Fallacy to tell how the leaders of the Inquisition didn't really believe they were Christians.....
As noted before, Christianity is defined by Christ and His teachings. He never performed such acts and therefore anyone doing those things were departing from the example of Christ and not following it.
I quoted what I was referring to above, to give context to my claim about your position. It was not my intent to misquote you. So are you saying the leaders of the Inquisition, those who carried out all those brutal tortures, murders, and ran their intimidation racket across all of Christendom, were Christian? Did they believe they were Christian and carrying out The Will of God?
Did these events not constitute atrocities carried out in the name of God?
As for Sweet Jesus, meek and mild, there wasn't much, if anything of hell in the Old Testament. The Jews believed death was akin to sleeping with your ancestors. Eternal Damnation and burning in fire forever was really a consequence of the New Testament.
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You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it.
You cannot over estimate the unimportance of nearly everything. John Maxwell
However most of the others you did not respond, but you claim to have proven they do not exist. You have not done that.
You have yet to even respond to my first example about the contradictions between God in the Old and God in the New Testament.
Below quoted from evidence demands a reason by Josh McDowell
Isn’t the Old Testament God a God of Hate and the New Testament God a God of Love?
Another of the frequent accusations against the Bible is that it contains two different conceptions of God.
The Old Testament allegedly presents only a God of wrath, while the New Testament allegedly depicts only a God of love.
The Old Testament contains stories of God’s commanding the destruction ofSodom, the annihilation of the Canaanites, and many other stories of God’s judgment and wrath. The accusers claim this demonstrates a primitive, warlike deity in contradistinction to the advanced teachings of Jesus to love one another and to turn the other cheek, as contained in the Sermon on the Mount.
These ideas about God seem to be in direct conflict, but a moment’s reflection will show otherwise.
Jesus Himself declared that the Old Testament may be summed up by the commandments to love God and love your neighbor (Matthew 22:37). He also observed that God in the Old Testament had continually desired love and mercy rather than sacrifice (Matthew 9:13; 12:7).
This attitude can be seen with statements such as, “Have I any pleasure in the death of the wicked… and not rather that he should turn from his way and live?” (Ezekiel 18:23, RSV).
God would not have destroyed certain nations except that He is a God of justice and their evil could not go unchecked and condoned.
He did intend and desire to punish them as a part of His plan, in consistency with His holy nature and jealousy for His wayfaring people. What He desires in consistency with His pure character, He does in justice, in their case, providing they have not repented and come into harmony with His nature (Jeremiah 18).
In the case of the Amorites, God gave them hundreds of years to repent, yet they did not (Genesis 15:16). Noah preached 120 years to his generation before the great flood (Genesis 6:3). The proper Old Testament picture is one of a very patient God who gives these people untold opportunities to repent and come into harmony with Him, and only when they continually refuse does He judge and punish them for their evil deeds. Contrary to some popular belief, the strongest statements of judgment and wrath in the Bible were made by the Lord Jesus Himself.
In Matthew 23, for example, He lashed out at the religious leaders of His day, calling them hypocrites and false leaders, and informing them that their destiny was eternal banishment from God’s presence.
In Matthew 10:34 (KJV), Jesus says that the purpose of His mission is not to unite but to divide. “Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.” He goes on to say that His word will cause a father to be against his son, a mother against her daughter, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law (Matthew 10:35).
We find judgment as well as love scattered very pervasively throughout the New Testament, and love and mercy as well as judgment throughout the Old Testament.
God is consistent and unchanging, but different situations call for different emphases. Therefore, when the two testaments are read the way they were intended, they reveal the same holy God who is rich in mercy, but who will not let sin go unpunished.
Thank you for responding and bringing your thoughts to the conversation. I still can not agree. A God of justice would not have killed innocent people including kids. Jesus never condoned anything that evil.
Moses: DEUTERONOMY 2:34 At that time we took all his towns and completely destroyed them – men, women and children. We left no survivors. DEUTERONOMY 3:6 We completely destroyed them, as we had done with Sihon king of Heshbon, destroying every city – men, women and children.
There sits the heart of the matter. Like a festering boil.
The assumption teachings by the modern Church that these were innocent people is nothing more than that, an assumption. Further study of their lineage shows who they actually were and innocent is not a word that accurately describes them. Jag gave a very good hint as to who they are while Mathew 13:24-30 describes them very well.
Your response to the modern church teachings is right on the money. Had they not lied or mislead people as to what was transpiring, what the true goal of Lucifer is, and who's who and from what lineage, then your response would not be accurate. Leave a chapter or a book out of the teaching of Mathematics, or Science, Biology, or any other important subject and the whole teaching goes to Hell in a hand basket right along with the teachers. It is the same with the History and the Bible.
Good post Jag.
Belated thanks , K.
Who asks or expects a blind man to tell the seeing how to find their way to some place far away? Who asks the colorblind to find out what fields of spring flowers look like?
Some do, however. It's amazing that those who cant see what we see, such as AS, keep pointing us to others to follow in their path, when they are as blind as he.
Who wants to follow in the path of the walking dead?
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Ecc 10:2 The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but that of a fool to the left.
A Nation which leaves God behind is soon left behind.
"The Lord never asked anyone to be a tax collector, lowyer, or Redskins fan".
