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Evolution is a fact. Theory relates to the means and mechanisms by which it happens.


Exactly, when evolution is defined as the change in gene frequencies over time. We use an off shoot of these theories to put people in prison all the time - called DNA evidence. Pretty good science.

Change in allele frequencies in a population over time. Then they say, there's no evidence? LOL


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No, just no. Find the mechanism where a foot becomes a fin, one stomach becomes four, lungs become gills, skin becomes scales, limbs become wings, and so and so forth. There literally has not been enough time on earth and not enough organisms on earth to have made the necessary genetic changes by random means.
The process of evolution isn't random, like dropping a bunch of material and a fully assembled typewriter appears on the twelve millionth repetition. It's not like that. There's a natural logic behind it. Biology comes ready for evolution, i.e., random variability is the norm, but the environment in which it occurs either suppresses change or encourages it in various directions based on survival advantage. That's not random, even if genetic variability is random. That's only a small part of evolution. The process of evolution isn't random, even if it requires some random genetic variability to act upon.
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That’s what those guys in the video were talking about. Today we understand more about genetics. They calculated the number of combinations possible and the odds of getting one useful mutation in one protein. It was ten to the 77th power. In the history of the world, counting every single bacteria that has ever lived, there have only been something like ten to the 40th power organism. In the universe, there is an estimated ten to the 78th power atoms.
The fact that evolution demonstrably happened proves that their conclusion is based on faulty reasoning.

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Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
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No, just no. Find the mechanism where a foot becomes a fin, one stomach becomes four, lungs become gills, skin becomes scales, limbs become wings, and so and so forth. There literally has not been enough time on earth and not enough organisms on earth to have made the necessary genetic changes by random means.
The process of evolution isn't random, like dropping a bunch of material and a full assembled typewriter appears on the twelve millionth repetition. It's not like that. There's a natural logic behind it. Biology comes ready for evolution, i.e., random variability is the norm, but the environment in which it occurs either suppresses change or encourages it in various directions based on survival advantage. That's not random, even if genetic variability is random. That's only a small part of evolution. The process of evolution isn't random, even if it requires some random genetic variability to act upon.
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That’s what those guys in the video were talking about. Today we understand more about genetics. They calculated the number of combinations possible and the odds of getting one useful mutation in one protein. It was ten to the 77th power. In the history of the world, counting every single bacteria that has ever lived, there have only been something like ten to the 40th power organism. In the universe, there is an estimated ten to the 78th power atoms.
The fact that evolution demonstrably happened proves that their conclusion is based on faulty reasoning.



You’re hopeless. Of course, there are no other explanations. It must be Darwinian evolution. Lol

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Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
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No, just no. Find the mechanism where a foot becomes a fin, one stomach becomes four, lungs become gills, skin becomes scales, limbs become wings, and so and so forth. There literally has not been enough time on earth and not enough organisms on earth to have made the necessary genetic changes by random means.
The process of evolution isn't random, like dropping a bunch of material and a full assembled typewriter appears on the twelve millionth repetition. It's not like that. There's a natural logic behind it. Biology comes ready for evolution, i.e., random variability is the norm, but the environment in which it occurs either suppresses change or encourages it in various directions based on survival advantage. That's not random, even if genetic variability is random. That's only a small part of evolution. The process of evolution isn't random, even if it requires some random genetic variability to act upon.
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That’s what those guys in the video were talking about. Today we understand more about genetics. They calculated the number of combinations possible and the odds of getting one useful mutation in one protein. It was ten to the 77th power. In the history of the world, counting every single bacteria that has ever lived, there have only been something like ten to the 40th power organism. In the universe, there is an estimated ten to the 78th power atoms.
The fact that evolution demonstrably happened proves that their conclusion is based on faulty reasoning.







Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
Originally Posted by JoeBob

No, just no. Find the mechanism where a foot becomes a fin, one stomach becomes four, lungs become gills, skin becomes scales, limbs become wings, and so and so forth. There literally has not been enough time on earth and not enough organisms on earth to have made the necessary genetic changes by random means.
The process of evolution isn't random, like dropping a bunch of material and a full assembled typewriter appears on the twelve millionth repetition. It's not like that. There's a natural logic behind it. Biology comes ready for evolution, i.e., random variability is the norm, but the environment in which it occurs either suppresses change or encourages it in various directions based on survival advantage. That's not random, even if genetic variability is random. That's only a small part of evolution. The process of evolution isn't random, even if it requires some random genetic variability to act upon.
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That’s what those guys in the video were talking about. Today we understand more about genetics. They calculated the number of combinations possible and the odds of getting one useful mutation in one protein. It was ten to the 77th power. In the history of the world, counting every single bacteria that has ever lived, there have only been something like ten to the 40th power organism. In the universe, there is an estimated ten to the 78th power atoms.
The fact that evolution demonstrably happened proves that their conclusion is based on faulty reasoning.



TRH, do you even realize you are no longer arguing for darwinian evolution but intelligent design and even intelligent CONTROL?


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There's an unbroken thread that stretches from those first cells to us.”

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Originally Posted by JoeBob
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Evolution is a fact. Theory relates to the means and mechanisms by which it happens.


Thank you for proving my point.

You state that it is a fact even though you can’t find evidence that it happened. You can’t find evidence that it is happening. And you can’t satisfactorily explain how it could have happened. Yet, it is fact. Lol



Who says that I can't find evidence? The evidence is readily available in practically any textbook on biology, online resources, etc. Fossil record, genetics, Anatomy and Embryology, Molecular Biology, etc.

The evidence is undeniable.

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Originally Posted by oldtrapper

TRH, do you even realize you are no longer arguing for darwinian evolution but intelligent design and even intelligent CONTROL?

You are just under the mistaken belief that evolutionists propose that evolution is a random process. They do not propose that.

Here's Richard Dawkins propounding this to someone else who made the same mistake.


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Originally Posted by DBT
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Evolution is a fact. Theory relates to the means and mechanisms by which it happens.


Thank you for proving my point.

You state that it is a fact even though you can’t find evidence that it happened. You can’t find evidence that it is happening. And you can’t satisfactorily explain how it could have happened. Yet, it is fact. Lol
Who says that I can't find evidence? The evidence is readily available in practically any textbook on biology, online resources, etc. Fossil record, genetics, Anatomy and Embryology, Molecular Biology, etc. The evidence is undeniable.

Of course.

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An interaction of genetics and environment is not random. Environmental conditions drive and shape biological adaption in relation to the niche, predator, prey, plants, etc, that any given organism occupies.

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Originally Posted by DBT
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Evolution is a fact. Theory relates to the means and mechanisms by which it happens.


Thank you for proving my point.

You state that it is a fact even though you can’t find evidence that it happened. You can’t find evidence that it is happening. And you can’t satisfactorily explain how it could have happened. Yet, it is fact. Lol



Who says that I can't find evidence? The evidence is readily available in practically any textbook on biology, online resources, etc. Fossil record, genetics, Anatomy and Embryology, Molecular Biology, etc.

The evidence is undeniable.



You should have seen the evidence that the earth was the center of the universe before Gallileo.


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Originally Posted by DBT
An interaction of genetics and environment is not random. Environmental conditions drive and shape biological adaption in relation to the niche, predator, prey, plants, etc, that any given organism occupies.

Yep.

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Originally Posted by DBT
An interaction of genetics and environment is not random. Environmental conditions drive and shape biological adaption in relation to the niche, predator, prey, plants, etc, that any given organism occupies.



Those forces, according to Darwin, only select OUT. They do not shape genes. When the genetic potential is tapped out, extinction occurs.


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Evolution is a fact. Theory relates to the means and mechanisms by which it happens.


Thank you for proving my point.

You state that it is a fact even though you can’t find evidence that it happened. You can’t find evidence that it is happening. And you can’t satisfactorily explain how it could have happened. Yet, it is fact. Lol



Who says that I can't find evidence? The evidence is readily available in practically any textbook on biology, online resources, etc. Fossil record, genetics, Anatomy and Embryology, Molecular Biology, etc.

The evidence is undeniable.



You should have seen the evidence that the earth was the center of the universe before Gallileo.



That was a belief that the Church defended, special creation....punishing those who dared question their teachings.

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Originally Posted by oldtrapper
Originally Posted by DBT
An interaction of genetics and environment is not random. Environmental conditions drive and shape biological adaption in relation to the niche, predator, prey, plants, etc, that any given organism occupies.



Those forces, according to Darwin, only select OUT. They do not shape genes. When the genetic potential is tapped out, extinction occurs.


I didn't say 'shape genes'

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Originally Posted by DBT
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Originally Posted by DBT
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Originally Posted by DBT
Evolution is a fact. Theory relates to the means and mechanisms by which it happens.


Thank you for proving my point.

You state that it is a fact even though you can’t find evidence that it happened. You can’t find evidence that it is happening. And you can’t satisfactorily explain how it could have happened. Yet, it is fact. Lol



Who says that I can't find evidence? The evidence is readily available in practically any textbook on biology, online resources, etc. Fossil record, genetics, Anatomy and Embryology, Molecular Biology, etc.

The evidence is undeniable.



You should have seen the evidence that the earth was the center of the universe before Gallileo.



That was a belief that the Church defended, special creation....punishing those who dared question their teachings.



But, but, it was in all the books. ;-{>8


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Originally Posted by DBT
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Originally Posted by DBT
Originally Posted by JoeBob
Originally Posted by DBT
Evolution is a fact. Theory relates to the means and mechanisms by which it happens.


Thank you for proving my point.

You state that it is a fact even though you can’t find evidence that it happened. You can’t find evidence that it is happening. And you can’t satisfactorily explain how it could have happened. Yet, it is fact. Lol



Who says that I can't find evidence? The evidence is readily available in practically any textbook on biology, online resources, etc. Fossil record, genetics, Anatomy and Embryology, Molecular Biology, etc.

The evidence is undeniable.



You should have seen the evidence that the earth was the center of the universe before Gallileo.



That was a belief that the Church defended, special creation....punishing those who dared question their teachings.


The church of Darwin is still punishing the disbelievers.


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The church of Darwin is still punishing the disbelievers.



How so?

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Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
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TRH, do you even realize you are no longer arguing for darwinian evolution but intelligent design and even intelligent CONTROL?

You are just under the mistaken belief that evolutionists propose that evolution is a random process. They do not propose that.

Here's Richard Dawkins propounding this to someone else who made the same mistake.




No, no, no, the debate is about the genetic variability presented to the environment. It IS believed to be random. That is where the discussion about mathematic impossibility takes place NOT in the selection process. Come on. Of course the theory is that the environment makes the selections. But if there isn't sufficient genetic variability over enough time, IT CAN'T.


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Originally Posted by DBT
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The church of Darwin is still punishing the disbelievers.



How so?



Go back and listen to the video again. It's in there.


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