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Originally Posted by GunGeek
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Here's an example of evolution. Bacteria populations developing resistance to antibiotics. No, they did not turn into salt water fish....


That’s natural selection, or probably more accurately...selective breeding, which no one denies.
Natural selection IS A KEY COMPONENT OF EVOLUTION! If adaptation is successful across tens of thousands of generations, it becomes evolution; because adaptation never stops. Its a mathematical constant...eventually you'll get to another species...or the species will die off. If you accept adaptation, you have to accept evolution because it's a mathematical certainty over time.

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nat·u·ral se·lec·tion
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noun: natural selection

the process whereby organisms better adapted to their environment tend to survive and produce more offspring. The theory of its action was first fully expounded by Charles Darwin and is now believed to be the main process that brings about evolution.


No, math is the biggest problem with it.


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Originally Posted by JoeBob
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Here's an example of evolution. Bacteria populations developing resistance to antibiotics. No, they did not turn into salt water fish....


That’s natural selection, or probably more accurately...selective breeding, which no one denies.

No, it is not selective breeding. An example of selective breeding would be humans developing food crops or dog breeds.


Oh, it’s selective breeding alright. Maybe not intentional selective breeding but it ain’t natural either. It’s human directed and human caused.

That's absurd. You could do yourself a favor and read some grade school biology. Evolution is the change in allele frequencies in a population over time. If you don't understand that, it's not Darwin's fault.


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this is one of the best discussions we have had in a spell now.

nobody throwing hard backed hymn books, not even soft backed ones.

humans on the earth, and we're turning the earth into human artifacts pretty quickly.

especially in the last say 200 years or so? maybe less, yes? times they are a-changing.

humans being taxed to send people to the moon, and beyond. how does that fit with evolution?

personally i think we've got a story line here that needs additional research and development.


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Originally Posted by JoeBob
Originally Posted by GunGeek
Originally Posted by JoeBob
Originally Posted by MtnBoomer
Here's an example of evolution. Bacteria populations developing resistance to antibiotics. No, they did not turn into salt water fish....


That’s natural selection, or probably more accurately...selective breeding, which no one denies.
Natural selection IS A KEY COMPONENT OF EVOLUTION! If adaptation is successful across tens of thousands of generations, it becomes evolution; because adaptation never stops. Its a mathematical constant...eventually you'll get to another species...or the species will die off. If you accept adaptation, you have to accept evolution because it's a mathematical certainty over time.

Definition:
nat·u·ral se·lec·tion
/ˈnaCH(ə)rəl səˈlekSHən/
nounBiology
noun: natural selection

the process whereby organisms better adapted to their environment tend to survive and produce more offspring. The theory of its action was first fully expounded by Charles Darwin and is now believed to be the main process that brings about evolution.


No, math is the biggest problem with it.


No JoeBob, you continually embarrass yourself in this discussion. In fact, the math shows that evolution is entirely unavoidable. It has to happen, it can't be stopped.

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Originally Posted by MtnBoomer
Originally Posted by JoeBob
Originally Posted by MtnBoomer
Originally Posted by JoeBob
Originally Posted by MtnBoomer
Here's an example of evolution. Bacteria populations developing resistance to antibiotics. No, they did not turn into salt water fish....


That’s natural selection, or probably more accurately...selective breeding, which no one denies.

No, it is not selective breeding. An example of selective breeding would be humans developing food crops or dog breeds.


Oh, it’s selective breeding alright. Maybe not intentional selective breeding but it ain’t natural either. It’s human directed and human caused.

That's absurd. You could do yourself a favor and read some grade school biology. Evolution is the change in allele frequencies in a population over time. If you don't understand that, it's not Darwin's fault.


Well, Einstein, since you are such a stickler for terminology you should probably figure out that you’ve given the definition for micro evolution, which no one denies, instead of evolution.

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Originally Posted by LeroyBeans
Originally Posted by JoeBob
Originally Posted by GunGeek
Originally Posted by JoeBob
Originally Posted by MtnBoomer
Here's an example of evolution. Bacteria populations developing resistance to antibiotics. No, they did not turn into salt water fish....


That’s natural selection, or probably more accurately...selective breeding, which no one denies.
Natural selection IS A KEY COMPONENT OF EVOLUTION! If adaptation is successful across tens of thousands of generations, it becomes evolution; because adaptation never stops. Its a mathematical constant...eventually you'll get to another species...or the species will die off. If you accept adaptation, you have to accept evolution because it's a mathematical certainty over time.

Definition:
nat·u·ral se·lec·tion
/ˈnaCH(ə)rəl səˈlekSHən/
nounBiology
noun: natural selection

the process whereby organisms better adapted to their environment tend to survive and produce more offspring. The theory of its action was first fully expounded by Charles Darwin and is now believed to be the main process that brings about evolution.


No, math is the biggest problem with it.


No JoeBob, you continually embarrass yourself in this discussion. In fact, the math shows that evolution is entirely unavoidable. It has to happen, it can't be stopped.


No, not all.

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Interesting how this topic is evolving


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Whatever you said...everyone knows you are a lying jerk.

That's a bold assertion. Point out where you think I lied.

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Originally Posted by mauserand9mm
Interesting how this topic is evolving


yes, it seems to meander about, more or less?

almost all rivers & streams meander toward the sea.


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Originally Posted by m1rifleman
isn't creationism a theory?


In order to be a scientific theory it must make falsifiable predictions. Since the creationist don't make any falsifiable predictions, creationism doesn't qualify as a theory, but more closely matches the definition of a myth:

1. a traditional story, especially one concerning the early history of a people or explaining some natural or social phenomenon, and typically involving supernatural beings or events.

2. a widely held but false belief or idea.


You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it.

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Originally Posted by JoeBob
Well, Einstein, since you are such a stickler for terminology you should probably figure out that you’ve given the definition for micro evolution, which no one denies, instead of evolution.


They are the same thing.

Are you also a Young Earth Creationist?


You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it.

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Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by JoeBob
Well, Einstein, since you are such a stickler for terminology you should probably figure out that you’ve given the definition for micro evolution, which no one denies, instead of evolution.


They are the same thing.

Are you also a Young Earth Creationist?



No, I’m not young earth. For that matter, the Bible isn’t either.

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Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by JoeBob
Well, Einstein, since you are such a stickler for terminology you should probably figure out that you’ve given the definition for micro evolution, which no one denies, instead of evolution.


They are the same thing.


That be right. Micro or macro is just size of the binoculars and measuring stick being used. The process is the same.

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Originally Posted by JoeBob
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Originally Posted by JoeBob
Well, Einstein, since you are such a stickler for terminology you should probably figure out that you’ve given the definition for micro evolution, which no one denies, instead of evolution.


They are the same thing.

Are you also a Young Earth Creationist?



No, I’m not young earth. For that matter, the Bible isn’t either.


You will have to debate that with other Biblists.

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Originally Posted by LeroyBeans
No JoeBob, you continually embarrass yourself in this discussion. In fact, the math shows that evolution is entirely unavoidable. It has to happen, it can't be stopped.
If you recognize adaptation...yes...Eventually either the species dies off, or they become another species.

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Originally Posted by JoeBob


Well, Einstein, since you are such a stickler for terminology you should probably figure out that you’ve given the definition for micro evolution, which no one denies, instead of evolution.

Yah, please explain your thoughts on mutations again. LOL


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Originally Posted by JoeBob
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by JoeBob
Well, Einstein, since you are such a stickler for terminology you should probably figure out that you’ve given the definition for micro evolution, which no one denies, instead of evolution.


They are the same thing.

Are you also a Young Earth Creationist?



No, I’m not young earth. For that matter, the Bible isn’t either.


The bible specifies days, the morning of the first day, the evening, etc, and lists the genealogies that followed. Which according to Bishop Usher adds up to a bit over six thousand years.

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