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Ok.
Let's do some math.
Let's take something like e.coli. It has 4 million base pairs and divides every 20 minutes. That's 72 generations in a day, each doubling in size. The last generation alone will have 4,700,000,000,000,000,000,000 bacteria
Now e.coli mutates at a rate of 1 mutation per 1000 replication, so there's still 4,700,000,000,000,000,000 mutations present in just the last generation from that one bacteria in one day.
Now that number is just 2^72
So, lets take 4.5 billion years, times 365 days, times 72 generations per day.....that's 1.1826e+14
Now lets start with one bacteria and divide it and it's successive generations that many times.
When I plug it into my statistic program RStudio, it returns.........Infinity........
So mathematically, yea.....there's plenty of time for it all to happen.
Great answer. I think that settles the question.
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By the way, I’m the only person on this board whose father discovered a dinosaur and has It share a latinized version of the family name. At least I’ll bet as much. That by itself doesn’t make you any more or less qualified. But it is SERIOUSLY cool! Props to dad!! Bullschit as the only person with a dinosaur named after him, i claim prime nocta over all dinosaur discussion. And yeah it is pretty cool. I used to take a fiberglass cast of MY dinosaur foot to show and tell at school every year.
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Nothing is suddenly 'turned' into a different species. That's not how evolution works. That is funny right there, all this gibberish of evolution and how it works. Well, it isn't anymore scientifically proven than religion amd the argument will go on into perpetuity like a 45 ACP being superior to a 9mm. As long as there are men with differing opinions, there will be no conclusion to this debate. There will be a real awakening at death when the evolutionists find out that life isn't over... Just saying that "evolution is not scientifically proven" does not make the claim true. It is a false claim. The study of evolution is a field of science that has ample evidence.
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The estimate of the number of every organism ever to exist on earth including bacteria is 10 to the 40th power. That's an old estimate. The numbers have gone up a lot since then.
You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it.
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If you are correct in evolution, then with sufficiently advanced technology it should be possible. All the information is there correct?
No, not every creature carries the full genetic code of every other creature on earth. Bob...You are very close, and I think of you put some more study into Evolution the light will click on. In your “denial” of evolution you have clearly described and stated your belief in most of the working aspects of evolution. You seem to be lacking the information to take the next step. I’m not criticizing you because I was in exactly the same place at one point. Just expand your education and you’ll get it. When you do...it’s really exciting!!
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Yeah, but that’s kind of like turning a calf embryo into a Auroch as that a bird pretty much IS a dinosaur. Turn a bird into an elephant and I’ll be impressed.
A bird cannot become an elephant. The line that led to elephants separated from the line that led to birds back in the early Permian Period. If you are correct in evolution, then with sufficiently advanced technology it should be possible. All the information is there correct? In evolution, there's generally no turning back. An example is that mammals and reptiles that returned to an aquatic existence were incapable of re-evolving gills for breathing under water, even though there's a tremendous environmental pressure in that direction (i.e., it would constitute an enormous survival advantage). Once abandoned, however, gills cannot re-evolve. Instead, what happens is that these species become capable of holding their breath for increasingly long periods of time.
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If you are correct in evolution, then with sufficiently advanced technology it should be possible. All the information is there correct?
No, not every creature carries the full genetic code of every other creature on earth. Bob...You are very close, and I think of you put some more study into Evolution the light will click on. In your “denial” of evolution you have clearly described and stated your belief in most of the working aspects of evolution. You seem to be lacking the information to take the next step. I’m not criticizing you because I was in exactly the same place at one point. Just expand your education and you’ll get it. When you do...it’s really exciting!! Your thinking is somewhat limited. Even if the code isn’t there, then the mutations reintroducing new information should be able to be reproduced with sufficient technology, correct?
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Nothing is suddenly 'turned' into a different species. That's not how evolution works. That is funny right there, all this gibberish of evolution and how it works. Well, it isn't anymore scientifically proven than religion amd the argument will go on into perpetuity like a 45 ACP being superior to a 9mm. As long as there are men with differing opinions, there will be no conclusion to this debate. There will be a real awakening at death when the evolutionists find out that life isn't over... Just saying that "evolution is not scientifically proven" does not make the claim true. It is a false claim. The study of evolution is a field of science that has ample evidence. Again, something I used to do so much myself. Most (including myself at one point) don’t understand scientific process. When you make a statement like “evolution is not scientifically proven” it shows a FUNDAMENTAL misunderstanding of science.
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Nothing is suddenly 'turned' into a different species. That's not how evolution works. That is funny right there, all this gibberish of evolution and how it works. Well, it isn't anymore scientifically proven than religion amd the argument will go on into perpetuity like a 45 ACP being superior to a 9mm. As long as there are men with differing opinions, there will be no conclusion to this debate. There will be a real awakening at death when the evolutionists find out that life isn't over... Just saying that "evolution is not scientifically proven" does not make the claim true. It is a false claim. The study of evolution is a field of science that has ample evidence.
Ok.
Let's do some math.
Let's take something like e.coli. It has 4 million base pairs and divides every 20 minutes. That's 72 generations in a day, each doubling in size. The last generation alone will have 4,700,000,000,000,000,000,000 bacteria
Now e.coli mutates at a rate of 1 mutation per 1000 replication, so there's still 4,700,000,000,000,000,000 mutations present in just the last generation from that one bacteria in one day.
Now that number is just 2^72
So, lets take 4.5 billion years, times 365 days, times 72 generations per day.....that's 1.1826e+14
Now lets start with one bacteria and divide it and it's successive generations that many times.
When I plug it into my statistic program RStudio, it returns.........Infinity........
So mathematically, yea.....there's plenty of time for it all to happen.
Great answer. I think that settles the question. Thanks TRH. Perhaps the greatest limitation that leads so many to a anti-evolution position is a lack of perspective, combined with a lack of imagination. They can't imagine big enough, so the fall into the trap of an argument from ignorance fueled by an argument from the lack of imagination and perspective.
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You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it.
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Nothing is suddenly 'turned' into a different species. That's not how evolution works. That is funny right there, all this gibberish of evolution and how it works. Well, it isn't anymore scientifically proven than religion amd the argument will go on into perpetuity like a 45 ACP being superior to a 9mm. As long as there are men with differing opinions, there will be no conclusion to this debate. There will be a real awakening at death when the evolutionists find out that life isn't over... Just saying that "evolution is not scientifically proven" does not make the claim true. It is a false claim. The study of evolution is a field of science that has ample evidence. Again, something I used to do so much myself. Most (including myself at one point) don’t understand scientific process. When you make a statement like “evolution is not scientifically proven” it shows a FUNDAMENTAL misunderstanding of science. True....Some of my favorite folks are plumb ignorant. LOL
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Nothing is suddenly 'turned' into a different species. That's not how evolution works. That is funny right there, all this gibberish of evolution and how it works. Well, it isn't anymore scientifically proven than religion amd the argument will go on into perpetuity like a 45 ACP being superior to a 9mm. As long as there are men with differing opinions, there will be no conclusion to this debate. There will be a real awakening at death when the evolutionists find out that life isn't over... Just saying that "evolution is not scientifically proven" does not make the claim true. It is a false claim. The study of evolution is a field of science that has ample evidence.
Ok.
Let's do some math.
Let's take something like e.coli. It has 4 million base pairs and divides every 20 minutes. That's 72 generations in a day, each doubling in size. The last generation alone will have 4,700,000,000,000,000,000,000 bacteria
Now e.coli mutates at a rate of 1 mutation per 1000 replication, so there's still 4,700,000,000,000,000,000 mutations present in just the last generation from that one bacteria in one day.
Now that number is just 2^72
So, lets take 4.5 billion years, times 365 days, times 72 generations per day.....that's 1.1826e+14
Now lets start with one bacteria and divide it and it's successive generations that many times.
When I plug it into my statistic program RStudio, it returns.........Infinity........
So mathematically, yea.....there's plenty of time for it all to happen.
Great answer. I think that settles the question. Thanks TRH. Perhaps the greatest limitation that leads so many to a anti-evolution position is a lack of perspective, combined with a lack of imagination. They can't imagine big enough, so the fall into the trap of an argument from ignorance fueled by an argument from the lack of imagination and perspective. So imagination big enough to encompass the time and the processes necessary for evolution to work is a positive trait? But an imagination big enough to imagine a God who created everything is evidence of weak mindedness? Got it.
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Idahoshooter, is your question because you seek an answer, because truth is important to you...or is it just something to create a discussion?
In other words, if what you believed to be true was not, would you want to know, and would you change your life and thinking in the way truth dictated?
It's better to not know and reap the consequences then it is to know and reap the consequences. What has been seen cannot be unseen. When you learn things beyond any doubt you can't ever un-learn them.
If a quest for truth, for no other reason then it is true, is not the reason for the original question, then be honest with yourself and you'll get along a lot easier in your natural life.
If on the other hand you actually want to know what is true and what scientific and historical evidence there is for the conclusion to be based on, please let me know by PM.
No one know all truth. No human can. But most of the lies that people believe are quite easy to dispel if you simply look into it. In my experience it takes about 16 hours to undo most of the "science' that we were all taught was true and show the counter points. You can easily learn the counter point as easily as watching a few movies if you truly desire to know.
Will that lead you to ultimate truth?
No.
But it will lead you away from the lies, and as the old saying goes, "nature hates a vacuum".
When what we believed to be true is show to use that it is not, we are on a good path to understand how to learn more.
Those that do not want to know never want anyone else to know either.
We see that with the Dem/Comms in their daily activities. Libs like "Paddler" are perfect examples of what I am speaking of. He's not alone either. There are LOTS of folks (many here on this site) who would be very offended if you didn't agree with them and embrace the beliefs they want to assert. If you start to learn anything true, the enemies of truth come out of the woodwork. It's not enough for them to want to stay in their comfort zone, but they will be VERY offended if you don't stay with them.
As for me, I care for mankind as I should, but if any individual man doesn't want to learn I am not a bit interested in showing them the any of the souses of the information. I don't have a dog in their fight. I see no reason I should care about the direction of their lives more then they do themselves.
So please consider my counter question deeply, and let those that scream and shout and insult do so at top speed and maximum intensity.
The offer is genuine however, and if you want information concerning those questions you posted, and a lot of other questions too, just let me know.
That sounds like a serious brain washing session.
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Does it have to be exactly as was Written? Or can we just make an edit, I suggest that God Created evolution? Not sure which day...
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Nothing is suddenly 'turned' into a different species. That's not how evolution works. That is funny right there, all this gibberish of evolution and how it works. Well, it isn't anymore scientifically proven than religion amd the argument will go on into perpetuity like a 45 ACP being superior to a 9mm. As long as there are men with differing opinions, there will be no conclusion to this debate. There will be a real awakening at death when the evolutionists find out that life isn't over... Just saying that "evolution is not scientifically proven" does not make the claim true. It is a false claim. The study of evolution is a field of science that has ample evidence.
Ok.
Let's do some math.
Let's take something like e.coli. It has 4 million base pairs and divides every 20 minutes. That's 72 generations in a day, each doubling in size. The last generation alone will have 4,700,000,000,000,000,000,000 bacteria
Now e.coli mutates at a rate of 1 mutation per 1000 replication, so there's still 4,700,000,000,000,000,000 mutations present in just the last generation from that one bacteria in one day.
Now that number is just 2^72
So, lets take 4.5 billion years, times 365 days, times 72 generations per day.....that's 1.1826e+14
Now lets start with one bacteria and divide it and it's successive generations that many times.
When I plug it into my statistic program RStudio, it returns.........Infinity........
So mathematically, yea.....there's plenty of time for it all to happen.
Great answer. I think that settles the question. Thanks TRH. Perhaps the greatest limitation that leads so many to a anti-evolution position is a lack of perspective, combined with a lack of imagination. They can't imagine big enough, so the fall into the trap of an argument from ignorance fueled by an argument from the lack of imagination and perspective. So imagination big enough to encompass the time and the processes necessary for evolution to work is a positive trait? But an imagination big enough to imagine a God who created everything is evidence of weak mindedness? Got it. Correct. Pretending you know the answer is "magic" because you cannot sufficiently comprehend the real answer is the sign of a weak mind.
You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it.
You cannot over estimate the unimportance of nearly everything. John Maxwell
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[quote=DBT]Nothing is suddenly 'turned' into a different species. That's not how evolution works. That is funny right there, all this gibberish of evolution and how it works. Well, it isn't anymore scientifically proven than religion amd the argument will go on into perpetuity like a 45 ACP being superior to a 9mm. As long as there are men with differing opinions, there will be no conclusion to this debate. There will be a real awakening at death when the evolutionists find out that life isn't over... Just saying that "evolution is not scientifically proven" does not make the claim true. It is a false claim. The study of evolution is a field of science that has ample evidence.
Ok.
Let's do some math.
Let's take something like e.coli. It has 4 million base pairs and divides every 20 minutes. That's 72 generations in a day, each doubling in size. The last generation alone will have 4,700,000,000,000,000,000,000 bacteria
Now e.coli mutates at a rate of 1 mutation per 1000 replication, so there's still 4,700,000,000,000,000,000 mutations present in just the last generation from that one bacteria in one day.
Now that number is just 2^72
So, lets take 4.5 billion years, times 365 days, times 72 generations per day.....that's 1.1826e+14
Now lets start with one bacteria and divide it and it's successive generations that many times.
When I plug it into my statistic program RStudio, it returns.........Infinity........
So mathematically, yea.....there's plenty of time for it all to happen.
Great answer. I think that settles the question. Thanks TRH. Perhaps the greatest limitation that leads so many to a anti-evolution position is a lack of perspective, combined with a lack of imagination. They can't imagine big enough, so the fall into the trap of an argument from ignorance fueled by an argument from the lack of imagination and perspective. So imagination big enough to encompass the time and the processes necessary for evolution to work is a positive trait? But an imagination big enough to imagine a God who created everything is evidence of weak mindedness? Got it. Correct. Pretending you know the answer is "magic" because you cannot sufficiently comprehend the real answer is the sign of a weak mind. [/quote] If you say so.
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Idahoshooter, is your question because you seek an answer, because truth is important to you...or is it just something to create a discussion?
In other words, if what you believed to be true was not, would you want to know, and would you change your life and thinking in the way truth dictated?
It's better to not know and reap the consequences then it is to know and reap the consequences. What has been seen cannot be unseen. When you learn things beyond any doubt you can't ever un-learn them.
If a quest for truth, for no other reason then it is true, is not the reason for the original question, then be honest with yourself and you'll get along a lot easier in your natural life.
If on the other hand you actually want to know what is true and what scientific and historical evidence there is for the conclusion to be based on, please let me know by PM.
No one know all truth. No human can. But most of the lies that people believe are quite easy to dispel if you simply look into it. In my experience it takes about 16 hours to undo most of the "science' that we were all taught was true and show the counter points. You can easily learn the counter point as easily as watching a few movies if you truly desire to know.
Will that lead you to ultimate truth?
No.
But it will lead you away from the lies, and as the old saying goes, "nature hates a vacuum".
When what we believed to be true is show to use that it is not, we are on a good path to understand how to learn more.
Those that do not want to know never want anyone else to know either.
We see that with the Dem/Comms in their daily activities. Libs like "Paddler" are perfect examples of what I am speaking of. He's not alone either. There are LOTS of folks (many here on this site) who would be very offended if you didn't agree with them and embrace the beliefs they want to assert. If you start to learn anything true, the enemies of truth come out of the woodwork. It's not enough for them to want to stay in their comfort zone, but they will be VERY offended if you don't stay with them.
As for me, I care for mankind as I should, but if any individual man doesn't want to learn I am not a bit interested in showing them the any of the souses of the information. I don't have a dog in their fight. I see no reason I should care about the direction of their lives more then they do themselves.
So please consider my counter question deeply, and let those that scream and shout and insult do so at top speed and maximum intensity.
The offer is genuine however, and if you want information concerning those questions you posted, and a lot of other questions too, just let me know.
That sounds like a serious brain washing session. Yea. Sounds like someone needs to go look into the mirror.
You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it.
You cannot over estimate the unimportance of nearly everything. John Maxwell
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Idahoshooter, is your question because you seek an answer, because truth is important to you...or is it just something to create a discussion?
In other words, if what you believed to be true was not, would you want to know, and would you change your life and thinking in the way truth dictated?
It's better to not know and reap the consequences then it is to know and reap the consequences. What has been seen cannot be unseen. When you learn things beyond any doubt you can't ever un-learn them.
If a quest for truth, for no other reason then it is true, is not the reason for the original question, then be honest with yourself and you'll get along a lot easier in your natural life.
If on the other hand you actually want to know what is true and what scientific and historical evidence there is for the conclusion to be based on, please let me know by PM.
No one know all truth. No human can. But most of the lies that people believe are quite easy to dispel if you simply look into it. In my experience it takes about 16 hours to undo most of the "science' that we were all taught was true and show the counter points. You can easily learn the counter point as easily as watching a few movies if you truly desire to know.
Will that lead you to ultimate truth?
No.
But it will lead you away from the lies, and as the old saying goes, "nature hates a vacuum".
When what we believed to be true is show to use that it is not, we are on a good path to understand how to learn more.
Those that do not want to know never want anyone else to know either.
We see that with the Dem/Comms in their daily activities. Libs like "Paddler" are perfect examples of what I am speaking of. He's not alone either. There are LOTS of folks (many here on this site) who would be very offended if you didn't agree with them and embrace the beliefs they want to assert. If you start to learn anything true, the enemies of truth come out of the woodwork. It's not enough for them to want to stay in their comfort zone, but they will be VERY offended if you don't stay with them.
As for me, I care for mankind as I should, but if any individual man doesn't want to learn I am not a bit interested in showing them the any of the souses of the information. I don't have a dog in their fight. I see no reason I should care about the direction of their lives more then they do themselves.
So please consider my counter question deeply, and let those that scream and shout and insult do so at top speed and maximum intensity.
The offer is genuine however, and if you want information concerning those questions you posted, and a lot of other questions too, just let me know.
That sounds like a serious brain washing session. Yea. Sounds like someone needs to go look into the mirror. I loooove to look at myself in the mirror.
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If evolution isn’t true, explain the predictions of evolution, that have been verified...many, a century or more after the prediction.
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Neither science or faith can answer the big question: Why?
Whatever you said...everyone knows you are a lying jerk. That's a bold assertion. Point out where you think I lied. Well?
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Neither science or faith can answer the big question: Why? Empiracly speaking, you are correct. If you separate the science & religion, I believe religion is in the business of “why” and science is the study of how. Unless science can find some creator, I’m not sure it is the place to go to find the why.
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