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If [evolution] is an established fact, explain exactly how it works.
Holy crap, there are so many resources for you to study if you want to know that. I've recommended a few in this thread already. I've been studying it my entire life, but I don't feel like writing a textbook for you on the pages of the Fire.
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The Universe from Nothing? I cannot find any discussion as to whether or not the mathematical proof has withstood scrutiny by peers. But it's been out for 5 years, and I can't find any refutation of the proof either. Nor is there discussion of how or why "the rules" of our universe.
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If [evolution] is an established fact, explain exactly how it works.
Holy crap, there are so many resources for you to study if you want to know that. I've recommended a few in this thread already. I've been studying it my entire life, but I don't feel like writing a text book for you on the pages of the Fire. He doesn't have a clue how it works. He doesn't have a clue (and neither does anyone else) how life sprang from inorganic matter nor does he have a clue how random mutations could possibly have generated the information necessary to generate even the simplest protein. All he's got is hand-waving, obfuscation and logical fallacies.
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If the claim is that something so complex as the universe could not possibly exist without a creator, the same rule applies to the creator. The Creator, as a being that's capable of creating a universe, is something far more complex than the universe. To say that the Creator is exempt from the given rule is begging the question, setting your own rules. Good one, but logic and reasoning does not work on some. Hence the statement(I believe it goes like this): Faith begins where Logic and Reasoning end.
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Give him a shot. You can watch the entire series in one sitting. Each installment is like ten minutes.
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The Universe from Nothing? I cannot find any discussion as to whether or not the mathematical proof has withstood scrutiny by peers. But it's been out for 5 years, and I can't find any refutation of the proof either. Nor is there discussion of how or why "the rules" of our universe. Scott, Keep in mind Lawrence Krauss is a Theoretical Physicist, so his job is to generate the ideas that experimental physicist test. The book and lectures were an extension of his peer reviewed work. So yes, it's been peer reviewed, and I'm not aware of any demonstrated inconsistencies with the current standard model. However, at this point I'm not aware of any experimental evidence confirming this hypothesis either. As for the question why, well, that's going to take a whole lot more sciencing;....
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You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it.
You cannot over estimate the unimportance of nearly everything. John Maxwell
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If the claim is that something so complex as the universe could not possibly exist without a creator, the same rule applies to the creator. The Creator, as a being that's capable of creating a universe, is something far more complex than the universe. To say that the Creator is exempt from the given rule is begging the question, setting your own rules. Good one, but logic and reasoning does not work on some. Hence the statement(I believe it goes like this): Faith begins where Logic and Reasoning end. Why is there something rather than nothing? I don't know.........Magic sky daddy? 
You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it.
You cannot over estimate the unimportance of nearly everything. John Maxwell
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The Universe from Nothing? I cannot find any discussion as to whether or not the mathematical proof has withstood scrutiny by peers. But it's been out for 5 years, and I can't find any refutation of the proof either. Nor is there discussion of how or why "the rules" of our universe. Scott, Keep in mind Lawrence Krauss is a Theoretical Physicist, so his job is to generate the ideas that experimental physicist test. The book and lectures were an extension of his peer reviewed work. So yes, it's been peer reviewed, and I'm not aware of any demonstrated inconsistencies with the current standard model. However, at this point I'm not aware of any experimental evidence confirming this hypothesis either. As for the question why, well, that's going to take a whole lot more sciencing;.... Shame on me for using that title for the link, I didn't really want to touch Krouse's work in this discussion, as it's like you say, perhaps not even rising the to the level of hypothesis. Scientific wild assed guess? The above linked article linked refers to the 2014 paper by He, Cai and Gao: https://arxiv.org/pdf/1404.1207.pdf Read the linked Scientific American article or better yet, see if you can comprehend the paper itself (it's waaaaaaaay beyond me).
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God created us, we ain’t related to fuucking monkeys. Actually, you are a monkey. Modern humans are a member of the Geneus Homo which includes other close relatives such as Homo Neanderthalensis. We are of the tribe Hominini which includes [bleep], but not Gorillas, and the subfamily Homininae, aka "African apes" which does include the Gorilla. Above that you are a member of the infraorder Simimiformes, which is MONKEY. Just as all humans are Animals, and Mammals, and primates, we are also all Monkeys. Stop! Humans wrote up that classification scheme. I've never seen it in the Bible...................so maybe it's just like other Human inventions...........like Science. Geno PS, still not figgered out yet I see.
The desert is a true treasure for him who seeks refuge from men and the evil of men.
In it is contentment
In it is death and all you seek
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