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After the 4.5 billion years and alla the mutations, e. coli is still just e. coli.

Mutations aren't evolution.

Mutations are random genetic misfires that may help, or hurt, the organism.

There's mutations among humans, i.e., webbed feet, but no one is suggesting the people with webbed feet is more evolved than the resta us.

The usual bullshit thrown out in desperation.

https://www.newscientist.com/articl...r-in-earths-mantle-as-in-all-the-oceans/

Genesis 7:11

In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, on the seventeenth day of the second month--on that day all the springs of the great deep burst forth, and the floodgates of the heavens were opened.

I can't agree - I don't see how faith answers "why" either. It's like science and only describes "what" and "how".

Yeah we were all getting sick of the other thread. Glad to see this one is taking off.





1. Easy, God

2. Even easier. God spoke to a chap named Noah and he built a big boat and just put one breeding pair of every mammal, reptile, bacteria, virus, fungus, plant, etc onto it and when the floods came they just kinda chilled for awhile. He brought a bunch of animal and reptile chow too so they wouldn't eat each other. Bacteria and viruses are actually so small that he could have (and probably did) kept most of them on his balls. Some in his mouth and as crack of course. Plus there were monkey ass cracks on board. Just for a minute think about what could have been thriving in there. The point is, God wasn't even about to lose one single species of anything despite his wrath. Pretty sure Jim Carrey made a movie about this so there's really no excuse to not know it. It's a fantastic story

3. The Lord works in mysterious ways

Change in allele frequency is the very definition of evolution.

hurt the descendants too much and they don't make it. Help them enough and they are more successful, and you have natural selection. Wash, rinse, repeat for an unimaginable number of generations and you have populations evolving into new species.

It's all very simple.

You have missed out the fundamental bit - DNA is constantly mutating and making changes to organisms. Natural selection is only part of it. Thus the variety of life, and the mechanism of nature's will.

This is children's level science.

Discovering the mechanism that God uses to maintain life is not a heresy. We observe the mechanics of his creation.

Bullshit always sounds simple.

Mutations aren't passed on as an evolutionary progression would be.

It's a random event that happened to happen, and the chances of it being passed on are exactly the same as it happening in the first place.

And as a random event, the mutation may be just as likely a step backwards, from an evolutionary standpoint.

And e. coli, is still just e. coli. If your theory was fact, e. coli'd be walkin and talkin, by now.

Your assertions are just not true. In humans, the chance of a new allele being passes on is 50%. They may get the new copy from the parent with the mutation, or the equivalent positioned gene from the other parent. In bacteria, the chance of a mutated gene being passed on is almost 100%.

In the example of e.coli, there's 4 million base pairs, and a 1/1000 chance of any of those pairs mutating, so the chances are 1 in 4 billion that it won't be passed on.

If you roll a normal 6 sided die, the results are either one or not one, but the two potential out comes do not have equal odds.

You don't understand chromosomes.

1: According to Genisis, God created the fishes during the first six days, fresh and salt apparently. But covering the Earth with fresh water would have immediately killed all salt water species. Mollusks, vertibrates, corals, sponges, urchins.....the works.

If evolution does not happen, how could the remaining fresh water species adapt to live in salt.

2: The size of the arc is distinctly mentioned. It is nowhere near large enough to contain even just two each of the mammal species extant on the Earth today, not to mention birds, marsupials, and reptiles.

3: Are you saying God caused man to evolve varying skin tones?

What I posted is exactly correct.

Your claim it's "simply not true" is more bullshit, on toppa alla the bullshit you've already posted.

In addition, it's not an intelligent argument that refutes what I've posted, i.e., exactly what I'd expect from you.

Genetic drift, the actual term for what you are attempting to describe, is a random event, not one that has a 50% chance of happening.

And being a random event, the results of the particular genetic drift at issue may be positive, or negative.

With humans, excepting inbreeding, genetic drift is akin to throwing darts while blindfolded. It's gonna hit somewhere, but that's not evolution.

And inbreeding, which would focus genetic drift, tends to devolve, rather than evolve.

Random differences in a species do not result in a new, or necessarily better, species.

We'll never know, because you lack the capacity to posit an effective reply.

How can some folks not understand that when a mutation occurs, it only affects the descendants of that individual. It does not affect the entire species, unless all members of the species without the new mutation become extinct.

In other words, some members of E Coli may have acquired mutations and some of their descendants other mutations until some descendants are walking and talking today. But that does not preclude the possibility that an nonmutated population of original E Coli does still live.

The crocodile, and some "prehistoric fishes" are examples of populations which have remained unchanged for extreme time periods while other populations have changed.

The mutation is passed on, just like AS said. It has the same chance of changing again as it did before, but has a much higher chance to be passed on. Elementary biology you are disputing.

If you consider Astronomy, the sheer scale of the Universe, I doubt that anyone can imagine its size or scale...yet alone that of a proposed Creator of the Universe. To say that you can imagine a God capable of Creating on such an unimaginable scale just comes down to word play.

What I'm describing is not called "genetic drift", and it's not a 50/50 proposition.

Small random differences of a generation do not result in a new species, that is correct. An accumulation of differences of successive generations may result in a new species. Again, as mentioned above, it's this inability to comprehend the effect of the stacking of these small differences over many generations (a long with some unfounded theistic positions) that prevent you from "getting it".

Do you have evidence that e coli was around 4.5 billion years ago? Or even 1 billion years ago?

Which is why redheaded people have mostly redheaded kids.

Except, they don't.

The mutation has the same chance of being passed on, not a higher chance.

"The proportion of mutated DNA copies shifts rapidly and unpredictably from mother to child making it very hard to predict what proportion of mutated DNA will be passed on."

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/12/081211161739.htm

Maybe next post, you can actually put something in that you didn't make up.

Induction. If the mechanisms of evolution are self sustaining, as they appear to be, there is no need to introduce a Creator that is doing it.