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It's possible that e. coli was around 4.5 billion years ago, because it can be anaerobic.

But the Earth's temperature was probably an impediment.

1 billion, much more likely, as there was surface water.

Twas analube slurper's time frame, not mine, used to enhance the math behind the bullshit.

1. He probably kept all the fish in fish tanks. Fresh/fresh and salt/salt. Plus mollusks. Since we have invertebrates today it stands to reason that he didn’t forget them

2. It’s likely he just kinda Tetrised them in there. If old Noah were alive today it’s hard to imagine he could be beaten in a fair Tetris tournament. In fact if I were to guess, I’d allow that the game Tetris was invented by God as a metaphor for Noah’s achievement

3. I think that’s just something you are supposed pray about. Although some people think he told a latter day prophet all about it. Brother Smith I believe

Your "example" is about mitochondral DNA. You're not following. Red hair is not caused by "a mutation", it is a recessive trait caused by multiple. Nobody is going write a biology text here for you to get up to speed.

I haven't posted any theistic positions.

I just pointed out that what *you* posted, takin an anti-theistic position, is bullshit.

An accumulation of differences in successive generations can only happen if the specific mutation, which may or may not be an improvement, happens in a consistent manner.

And it never does, throughout the history of recorded science.

Your theory is simply a restatement of the "billion monkeys with a billion typewriters will eventually type War and Peace" theory.

Problem is, the one monkey that somehow managed ta type W&P, ain't never gonna type it again, nor are his descendants.

So, you're left with the last resort bullshit of claimin nobody else can "get it", but geniuses like you.

Which of course, means you got nothin left.

It makes no difference, as the fossil record begins with microbes for the first 3 billion years before the Cambrian, when conditions became conducive for the emergence of multi cellular evolution, with five major extinction events, this does not paint a picture of special creation. Not at all.

Current indications are life began surprisingly quickly after the formation of the earth.

As for e.coli, I have not expectation that it was around 4 billion years ago. It's a common bacteria we are all familiar with so I used it's rates of reproduction as a proxy for bacteria's in general.

All total, there's over 700 strains of e.coli, with greater genetic differences then there is between humans and c-h-impanzee's. The strains best known for killing people, E. coli O157:H7, was only identified in 1982. So e.coli isn't "still just ecoli", it continues to evolve and change as well.

Yes, I sincerely desire to know truth. And I do love learning the mechanics of the world around me.

I was born into a very conservatively religious family and well educated as to the teachings of OT and NT.

But the more I learned, the more the discrepancies and contradictions in the verses jumped out at me. And the teachings of the Pastors conflicted with my observations of the world. And conflicted with observations made by serious students of the sciences much more learned than I.

While I deeply respect the religious convictions of the devout, and I would never criticize their beliefs, I no longer share those beliefs.

I am convinced the OT and the NT are both written, not by God, but by men who wished to control, and be enriched by other men. I am convinced that any human soul is simply a product of mythology. There is no Heaven, nor Hell.

When the electricity stops flowing across the synapses, the man is dead and is no more, forever. Thus it is important for each of us to produce our own version of Heaven right here on Earth.

I'm well aware that you lack the capacity to post a reasoned argument backed up by citations.

And since you can't do that, there's no reason for you to reply.

Mutations as a subject weren't my doin.

The human variations are just an example of why variances aren't predictable, genetics-wise.

When genetic engineering finally happens, and the products of same have un-engineered children, it will be interesting.

Isn't the account of the Noah flood thought to mentioned by other religions/lore also.? I heard that it could have been the inundation of the civilization around the Black Sea that was caused by the ocean breaking over the Dardanelles strait as the seas rose due to climate change. My experience of water breaking through an obstruction is that it picks up speed really quick. Seems like an incident like that could pass down from generation to generation and have some basis in fact. As to evolution vs creation it looks to me like they could easily co-exist in truth and fact. As for evolution, they have a lot of hard evidence.

There's different strains of e. coli as denominated by scientists.

They're grouped according to their shared similarities.

The genetic differences prove that they ain't evolvin, they're stayin the same, in their own lane.

Just an example, GMO crops are an example of a new gene appearing in a species.

Yes, man made, but no different than a new gene appearing in the wild.

Have you ever heard of a case where the mutated individual failed to produce mutated offspring?

That's because the subsets that are different enough to no longer belong to the species e.coli get their own name. such as:
E. albertii
E. fergusonii
E. hermannii
E. marmotae[2]
E. vulneris

E.albertii wasn't identified until 2003.

Exactly the opposite. Their shared similarities prove their common origin. Their differences prove their dispersion.

Bacteria are evolving new strains, and subspecies faster than we can catalog and name them. And certainly faster than we can build cures for them.

Shall we discuss how fast viruses can evolve?

Your statements about the topic are absolutely idiotic... You are arguing that a genetic mutation has the same chance to be passed on to offspring as it did to mutate. That is not correct, not at all, not even close, totally false, not kinda correct, it's totally and absolutely wrong. Reasoned argument? For phucqk's sake, you are incorrect. LOL

We have somewhat similar stories. The scripture says the Bible is the word of God, and infallible...This is dogmatic. And it was this dogma that led to my awakening.

When I learned that Moses never existed, the Exodus as described never happened. That all life started in "eden" 6k years ago. When I discovered the story of Noah is actually a blatant ripoff of Gilgamesh which was written at lest 2k years earlier than the OT. When I learned that the Israel/Judah "nation" as detailed in the OT actually works out to a grand total of two small city states (both of which practiced idolatry as its majority religion)...I could go on and on. But it became clear to me the Bible is the same as pretty much every other religious document in the world...A mix of myths intermixed with historical events.

SO much doesn't make sense. Why did God ignore humanity for over 200k years, and choose to make "first contact" with man 3,500 years ago. Why did he ignore mankind for all those millennia? Why is it the Bible details ZERO scientific evidence that wasn't generally known for the day? Why didn't God warn the Israelite's about bacteria? Why does it go from religious moral absolutes, to moral relativity?

OK, if it wasn't around, say a billion years ago, where did it come from? Was it specially created at some point?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E._coli_long-term_evolution_experiment

Staying the same? Nope.

There's no evidence E. coli existed 4.5 billion years ago. Bacteria, yes. While crocodiles haven't changed a lot over millions of years, they have indeed changed. Many species died out and new ones came into being. Their biggest claim to fame was their ability to survive the extinction event at the K-t boundary (likely caused by the meteor off the coast in the Yucatan). Somewhere back 4+ billion years ago, we likely have a common ancestor with E. coli as Idaho_Shooter claims.

Probability Of A Single Protein Forming By Chance

Never Gonna Happen :-)

LOL