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In my rush to crucify Sherman, I'd forgotten the very lenient surrender terms he offered Johnson once he'd finally been brought to bay.
Lincoln himself would probably have disapproved them had he been around.
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Ah the truth comes out. You really didn't want to just "stir the pot", your goal was to crucify Sherman by association. Figured it as such.... CNN may be hiring, perhaps you should give their HR a call....

The North had to win so that one day, white people in the north could send poor, clitless, oppressed Ilhan Omar to Congress in order for America to be saved by diversity.

Historically speaking, I believe the artist had General Grant a bit over-dressed for the occassion! 🤣

Despite the protestations of some on this board, it was all foreseeable. Or else, this guy had a time machine.

It is said that slavery is all we are fighting for, and if we give it up we give up all. Even if this were true, which we deny, slavery is not all our enemies are fighting for. It is merely the pretense to establish sectional superiority and a more centralized form of government, and to deprive us of our rights and liberties.

Rumor has it he was a little dusty and mudded up.

So I’ve heard! 🤣🤣🤣🤣

I didn't read the thread....

Did Lincoln want to send all the negroes back to Africa or not?

Not addressed here, but as you know, YES HE DID...

Francis Scott Key wanted to! And I believe he suceeded at getting a few back. More that Lincoln did!!!!

But he was only a lawyer, and not a president.

Since we are quickly moving along to how the CW effected modern day politics. Should we be thanking the South for LBJ and the Great Society-from which we may never recover-along with your most famous peanut farmer Mr. Caaarter- or didn't you refer to him as Mr. Jimmy-who must have done something. But i'll leave it to you to come up with it.

More absurdity, if only back then there was a Trump. I would have voted for him just on the wall platform. Ya'll would have been knocking at the gates. "Let me in, let me in."

CNN would never work out because I'll usually admit being wrong. (Although I did sorta double down myself here)

One thing I picked up from Birdie's video about JEB Stuart that I overlooked before.
Power = Means X Will. Reduce means or will to zero, and it all ends up the same. Sherman was reducing will. I think he might have ended the war sooner had he gone after means, (The Army of Tennessee), but will was probably much cheaper in blood.
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Been watching the Ken Burns series....

I’m sure everyone hates it. Seems the north was fine for fighting to preserve the Union, but sure didn’t want to fight for abolition, which apparently Lincoln wanted them to.

The tone of this thing certainly nods “patriotism” (of sorts) to the south. At least in spirit.

That was back before Southerners were NAZIS.

Lee:

“I can anticipate no greater calamity for the country than the dissolution of the Union. It would be an accumulation of all the evils we complain of, and I am willing to sacrifice everything but honor for its preservation.”

Robert E. Lee

THIS.... Splitting the country up was and remains a STUPID notion...

The entirety of it: re secession, a portion of a letter from Lee to his son....

"The South in my opinion has been aggrieved by the acts of the North as you say. I feel the aggression, & am willing to take every proper step for redress. It is the principle I contend for, not individual or private benefit. As an American citizen I take great pride in my country, her prosperity & institutions & would defend any State if her rights were invaded. But I can anticipate no greater calamity for the country than a dissolution of the Union. It would be an accumulation of all the evils we complain of, & I am willing to sacrifice every thing but honour for its preservation. I hope therefore that all Constitutional means will be exhausted, before there is a resort to force. Secession is nothing but revolution. The framers of our Constitution never exhausted so much labour, wisdom & forbearance in its formation & surrounded it with so many guards & securities, if it was intended to be broken by every member of the confederacy at will. It was intended for pepetual [sic] union, so expressed in the preamble,4 & for the establishment of a government, not a compact, which can only be dissolved by revolution or the consent of all the people in convention assembled. It is idle to talk of secession. Anarchy would have been established & not a government, by Washington, Hamilton, Jefferson, Madison & the other patriots of the Revolution. In 1808 when the New England States resisted Mr Jeffersons Imbargo law & the Hartford Convention assembled secession was termed treason by Virga statesmen. What can it be now? Still a union that can only be maintained by swords & bayonets, & in which strife & civil war are to take the place of brotherly love & kindness, has no charm for me. I shall mourn for my country, & for the welfare & progress of mankind. If the Union is dissolved & the government disrupted, I shall return to my native State & share the miseries of my people & save in her defence will draw my sword on none. Give much love to Charlotte to my dear little son & believe me always your devoted father"

Still a union that can only be maintained by swords & bayonets, & in which strife & civil war are to take the place of brotherly love & kindness, has no charm for me. I shall mourn for my country, & for the welfare & progress of mankind. If the Union is dissolved & the government disrupted, I shall return to my native State & share the miseries of my people & save in her defence will draw my sword on none. Give much love to Charlotte to my dear little son & believe me always your devoted father"

Just thought I would highlight that part from Lee’s letter to his son.

Below is from Lee’s letter to Lord Acton after the war.

I can only say that while I have considered the preservation of the constitutional power of the General Government to be the foundation of our peace and safety at home and abroad, I yet believe that the maintenance of the rights and authority reserved to the states and to the people, not only essential to the adjustment and balance of the general system, but the safeguard to the continuance of a free government. I consider it as the chief source of stability to our political system, whereas the consolidation of the states into one vast republic, sure to be aggressive abroad and despotic at home, will be the certain precursor of that ruin which has overwhelmed all those that have preceded it.