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Asking questions being the sign of a 'trouble maker?'

Healthy scepticism is a positive thing, uplifting and enlightening, throwing off the burden of dogma.

Yep! Especially the seekers of answers! But also scope dialers, pilots, and other heathens.

Yes. Thomas Aquinas got famous with that approach. Wrote a book on it, "Summa Theologica" which I'm not qualified to explain even if I wanted to. It's a big book. It was and is a basis for religious thought in the Roman Catholic Church and hence for the reformist sects.

I've never found Aquinas's arguments to be convincing. Too many logical fallacies and unsupported assertions.

as the fates themselves might have it, i've never attended any of the theatrical i mean theological, seminarian, nor divinity schools, but lot's of us should have?

we'd be better off by far? but, here we are, without all of that prior knowledge & beliefs. left here to wing it, and make the most sense of it. and pay taxes.

so many humans are needing and searching for definitive answers. i mean they have good minds, but very little info beyond that? what's a mind to do?

what we're really speaking of is consciousness, is it not? we/our minds are independent, but are downloaded with info that we struggle with.

human consciousness.the great apes might have a taste of it & understand the challenges their human cousins face. what do they think?

It's a fine example of how 'reason' without evidence and testing of assumptions can go terribly wrong.

the secular humanists, running things on earth. can they do it efficiently, effectively and successfully using testing, measurements, and feed back responses?

i mean, if we choose to leave out a mystical leader, and we do it on our own, can we expect to be successful?

if there's a war between or among groups, and people die, whom should we blame for it?

Summa Theologica is difficult partly because of the style of the times and a lot of it presumes you know the underlying philosophy and theology. Underlying principles are not explained, you're supposed to already know that stuff. Works out well if you do your research.

Gus, I went to Le Moyne College, a liberal arts school run by those dreaded Jesuits. Core requirements included 15 hours of Philosophy and 6 hours of Theology (theology in a wide scope, nor religion) Being Accounting majors we thought it a drudge. Looking back those were the most valuable courses. First it teaches you to order your thoughts, to think in a rational manner which affects all of your life, whatever you're doing. Secondly it helps you find your place in the cosmos allowing you to live a fulfilling life. So yes, I think students should pursue these courses, hopefully with more enthusiasm than I did.

Then there is political ideology and the craving for power, wealth and status....

yelp. and the idea of democracy, or individuals setting up their own gov't.

let's set the stage, ok?

we have an urth. it grows so much material/food/fiber each year.

we humans harvest the products produced by the earth.

of course we can fish, mine, timber, farm etc.

we are humans after all, are we not?

Without an absolute, guiding moral ideology, and I don't think secular humanists have that, you're left with the bad of human nature and none of the good. Why did the grand Marxist experiment degenerate into a country run by corrupt oligarchs in a very short time on the scale of human history?

at this late date in the post-modern era, it's not likely an descendent of ghenkis khan or his kind are very likely to sweep across the great plains of asia into eastern europe, leaving dna samples to and fro.

leadership of humans has managed to kill or main people from one end of the earth to the other. just sayin'.

technology allowed the europeans to conquer north america without a lot of difficulty. yes, plenty were kilt.

now the earth's surface is pretty much full of humans, going about, working, commuting, paying taxes.

was this the final plan? is this the end game? is there more? what would more look like?

Creationists got the bible, written by men long after the actual events, and its prophecies.

Evolutionists got "scientific" tomes, full of assumptions and written by men within parameters that avoid the defects in the methodology.

Creationists got the Shroud of Turin, and relics that could support their version of events.

Evolutionists got fossil foot bones, that somehow enable them to deduce and conclude the bipedal nature, cranial size and facial features of an entire classification of pre-humans.

Creationists got Noah's Ark, explainin the nature and extent of the flora and fauna in existence today.

Evolutionists got the miracle of each and every supposed missing link, in each and every species alleged to have evolved, being extinct, and with no fossil record.

Creationists have the faith that their version of events is correct.

Evolutionists have the faith that their version is correct.

No difference tween the two.

well, yeah. true enough.

the rest of us, living in this culture,

has the opportunity to go to work,

commute, pay taxes, buy a home.

all good. we're here. that's enought.

Phuque it all!

Best post yet, no schit.

You don't think secular humans have guiding morals? There are many theories on the origin of morals, and religion is only one of them.

Just a slight correction on your taxonomy.
Equidae is a Family

Horse, Zebra, and Donkey are Genus

Zebra has three separate species, while the Mountain Zebra has two subspecies