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#13620054 - 03/03/19 Re: Why the moniker 45 Long Colts [Re: GasGuzzler]  
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Originally Posted by GasGuzzler
SAAMI doesn't recognize "45ACP" either ... there is no such thing as 45ACP but nearly everyone calls 45AUTO 45ACP.

Put my in the "I hate .45 Long Colt" club.


I have several Colt 1911's that have .45 ACP stamped on the barrel. Are they wrong too?

John Browning designed the .45 Auto Colt Pistol cartridge (ACP for short). Is he wrong? Really?

SAAMI is not the last word by no means.


PS: use a space next time.


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#13621267 - 03/03/19 Re: Why the moniker 45 Long Colts [Re: saddlesore]  
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Been posted numerous times in links above.

Mike Venturino covered it well, as Elmer Keith did earlier.

45 Schofield length case, 45 Colt sized rim.

There also exists the 1909 DA 45 Colt cartridge, for the DA military revolvers of the time, which had a rim diameter larger than the 45 Colt of yesteryear and even today.



#13629215 - 03/05/19 Re: Why the moniker 45 Long Colts [Re: saddlesore]  
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Originally Posted by saddlesore
Just one of my pet peaves like those who ask what caliber did you shoot the elk with.Heck that would could stretch from a 30 carbine to 300mag and above with dozens of "cartridges in between.



Nope, that's an easy one... "Why, .358 of course."

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#13633968 - 03/07/19 Re: Why the moniker 45 Long Colts [Re: Maarty]  
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Originally Posted by Maarty
Originally Posted by ColeYounger
Originally Posted by Jericho
Slightly off topic, but I remember watching cowboy movies
when I was a kid and seeing indians using Winchester 94s.
They were probably '92s, which are pretty difficult to distinguish from '94s, especially at a glance. The 1892 Winchester was exceedingly popular in films due to its ability to ingest the popular "Five-in-One blanks" that were used on the sets. Same with the Colt SAA.

One of the most infamous cases was The Commancheros, a John Wayne offering set in 1836.


I heard a rumour once that right up till just before filming began the rifle to be used in the film "Winchester '73" was a '92. Not sure how true that is.

IIRC, when Jimmy Stewart "broke" those airborne targets with his '73, Herb Parsons was actually behind the scene breaking them with his 12 ga. Model 12...

What's film making got to do with reality..??.

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#13835012 - 05/20/19 Re: Why the moniker 45 Long Colts [Re: Dirtfarmer]  
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I thought he did it with his 71

https://www.outdoorlife.com/blogs/gun-shots/gun-week-herb-parsons%E2%80%99s-winchester-model-71-lever-action-rifle#page-3


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#13987630 - 07/19/19 Re: Why the moniker 45 Long Colts [Re: saddlesore]  
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Why is it that ".45 Long Colt" gets so many people's underwear twisted in knots? Nobody gets bent out of shape about ".32-40 Winchester" or "38-55 Winchester" even though those cartridges were originally developed by Ballard & Marlin.

#13995173 - 07/22/19 Re: Why the moniker 45 Long Colts [Re: saddlesore]  
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Did anyone mention the .45 Auto Rim?

Perhaps the true .45 Short Colt.


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#13995199 - 07/22/19 Re: Why the moniker 45 Long Colts [Re: saddlesore]  
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And how often do you hear people whine about .32-20 Marlin vs, .32 W.C.F. or .44-40 Marlin vs. .44 W.C.F. or .38-40 ....which really aught to be the .40-40.

It's endless.

Clearly ammo manufacturers identified the need for the .45 LC label very early in the marketing process. Adding "long" to a cartridge was not unlike "special" or "magnum". "Ultra Magnum"

It was just another way to say mine is bigger than yours.


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#14010922 - 07/29/19 Re: Why the moniker 45 Long Colts [Re: saddlesore]  
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#14010927 - 07/29/19 Re: Why the moniker 45 Long Colts [Re: saddlesore]  
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45 ACP? 45 Long Colt? Who cares.
If I shoot a .22 it might be cb, shorts, longs or long rifle. I still call it a .22.


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#14011942 - 07/30/19 Re: Why the moniker 45 Long Colts [Re: Dirtfarmer]  
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Originally Posted by Dirtfarmer
Originally Posted by 8mmwapiti
Originally Posted by saddlesore
There has never been an offical cartrdige by the name of 45 Long Colt.It is 45 Colt.I watched entire episode of Cowboys on RFDTV an the guy, a cowboy action shooter, was doing a program on 45 Colts. In all instances he kept referring to 45 Long Colt and how accurate he was in all his historical information.Then he went on to brag on his 45 "Long Colt" rifle and how that cartridge was used thru out the west in earlier times. When in fact the chambering of 45 Colts in rifles is only a fairly new thing with the advent of Cowboy Action matches. It was unheard of back in the days of 73 ,32 Winchesters and such.

44-40 was the most prevalent cartridge for those who chose to have the same round for thier hamdgun and rifle. 38 WCF,32-20 and other smaller cartridges were also popular. The 45 colt was only very popular in the handgun.

So if all you Cowboy shooters want to be historically correct,please start referring to it as the 45 Colt.

Just one of my pet peaves like those who ask what caliber did you shoot the elk with.Heck that would could stretch from a 30 carbine to 300mag and above with dozens of "cartridges in between.

Rant over!!!!!



My pet peeve (OK one of) Is the people who talk of the non existing 41 special. For those here that do not know there was not a 41 special, short or S&W or Colt or whatever before the 41 magnum. It was designed and brought out as the 41 magnum not a lengthened version of a 41 whatever.

Yes I am nit picking but some nits need picked

8mmwapiti


The .41 Long Colt cartridge was created in 1877 for Colt's double-action "Thunderer" revolver.

If we just stick to the 41 special EG a shorter cased version of the 41 mag and usable in such, of course it exists. It was developed after the 41 mag for custom revolvers and lighter 41 loads. While it was originally a home brew case, Starline does make a properly head stamped version of same. As for loaded ammo, I've not seen it, nor have I looked very hard.

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