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- there are huge leaps made between what I say and the response I get.

It's like there is no relationship between what I say and how it's interpreted.

Christians often also make huge leaps from what the Bible says to how they interpret it [or simply ignore it when it suites them]

It's a principal of hermeneutics to interpret various passages in a way which makes them consistent. Both internally and externally.

"It's an interaction of environment and genetics. Our environment provides the information that the brain processes. Your mental abilities, strengths and weakness being determined by neural architecture."

So then our choices are the product of environment and genetics? But then wouldn't our choices be dictated by what created that environment and genetics? Still puts us on the level of automatons. Still disregards that part of us which transcends physical laws, including environment and genetics.

You yourself find the bible self-contradictory if taken literally. It's a principal of hermeneutics to interpret various passages in a way which makes them consistent. Both internally and externally.

Evolution is a theory. Nobody has ever proven any different.

You can't change the words of the bible from what they say and mean to something that they do not say or mean. If the words state that God is responsible for evil, that is the meaning.

Evolution is a theory. Nobody has ever proven any different.

Right. The bible was originally written in English and only the KJV was dictated by God. Again, for the reasonable:

The Hebrew word that is translated “evil,” or ra, can indeed mean moral evil such as in Genesis 2:9, “the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil [ra].” However, ra can also refer to natural evil, such as in Psalm 34:19: “Many are the afflictions (ra) of the righteous; but the LORD delivers him out of them all.”

The Hebrew words used for peace and evil in this verse are shalom and ra. The word shalom is a greeting and along with literally meaning “peace” it is an informal way of wishing someone well. Prior to this verse, Isaiah is describing how God is in complete control of the universe. The Israelite’s suffering is not the result of God being unable to fend off other evil gods, a belief common among non-Jews of the time. Rather, when the Israelites suffer, the prophet has made it clear that God is aware of their suffering and is directing it toward a good end.

LOL, quite a lot of dodging and weaving, smokepole. Even the irony of mentioning 'strawmen' appears to escape you.

The fact being; you asked me a question.

The question you asked was; If two theories contradict each other, are both negated?


To which I replied - If two 'theories' contradict, both cannot be true. One must be wrong, or both can be wrong, but both cannot be true. Whether something is true or false is determined by evidence - which has absolutely nothing to do with your claim that I asserted that 'faith could be proven wrong due to contradictions among different faiths'' and just shows that you failed to understand anything I said, instead relying on your childish antics of derision to get you through (only in the illusion of your own mind)





There lies your error and your strawman. I didn't say that ''faith could be proven wrong due to contradiction'' but that contradictory beliefs cannot all be true, if one is true, the other must be false and to determine the truth requires evidence, not faith.


Poor Smokepole, I hope that you'll eventually understand what is being explained. Maybe a few more times in different ways?

That's rich, DB. It's true that you didn't explicity say faith could be proven wrong, but you implied as much by discussing all faiths collectively and saying there are "problems with faith" due to contradictions. In saying that you branded all faiths collectively as problematic. You didn't parse it as you did above by saying if one is true, the other must be false, that's obvious. You backtracked later with your "explanations" by saying that faith is not a good way to get at the truth, in this case the truth about evolution. And I agree with that, by the way.

But the erroneous and simple-minded assumption you're making is that all people of faith (or at least all Christians) are creationists and reject evolution, which is obviously not the case. There are plenty of people who believe that God and evolution are not mutually exclusive. These people are not looking to their faith to get at the truth about evolution. So your "explanations" are meaningless, and serve no purpose for them. Or me.

Just more long-winded BS.

Offering long winded BS even while complaining about what you see as being long winded BS....that's irony for you.

Life evolves for reasons that have nothing to do with a God.

That's laughable. There's not a single post I've made that's as long as your average post. It's all there for anyone to see. But just like your "explanations," keep repeating that, it might work.

So you say. Where's your evidence for that?

It's too quiet here so I'm going metaphysical to see what happens. Regarding God creating evil, since God is all-good, he cannot engage in moral evil, because it is impossible for him to act against the good (Himself). However, God can cause natural evil (a natural event with at least immediate unsatisfying consequences) because pain can ultimately serve God’s good ends or purpose for creation. It seems clear from the context that this verse refers to God creating natural evil.

It's too quiet here so I'm going metaphysical to see what happens. Regarding God creating evil, since God is all-good, he cannot engage in moral evil, because it is impossible for him to act against the good (Himself). However, God can cause natural evil (a natural event with at least immediate unsatisfying consequences) because pain can ultimately serve God’s good ends or purpose for creation. It seems clear from the context that this verse refers to God creating natural evil.

There is no sign of the presence of a God who regulates or manipulates genetic activity, for example.