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Which is evidence for the existence of a vast and complex universe, but says nothing about how it came about, or if it did (cyclic, a part of a multiverse, etc, etc) It is an assumption to claim that the universe must have been created because complex systems cannot form naturally...when in fact they can and do.

Have you considered bible cosmology? Theirs was a far simpler version of the world.

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''Myths tell the stories of ancestors and the origin of humans and the world, the gods, supernatural beings (satyrs, nymphs, mermaids) and heroes with super-human, usually god-given, powers (as in the case of Heracles or Perseus of the Greeks). Myths also describe origins or nuances of long-held customs or explain natural events such as the sunrise and sunset, the cycle of the moon and the seasons, or thunder and lightning storms.''

''Mythology has played an integral part in every civilization throughout the world. Pre-historic cave paintings, etchings in stone, tombs, and monuments all suggest that, long before human beings set down their myths in words, they had already developed a belief structure corresponding to the definition of `myth’ provided by Leach and Fried. According to psychiatrist Carl Jung, myth is a necessary aspect of the human psyche which needs to find meaning and order in a world which often presents itself as chaotic and meaningless

Etiological myths can offer explanations for why the world is the way it is – as in the story from Greek mythology of Pandora’s Box which explains how evil and suffering was released into the world''



''In ancient times, something like a clap of thunder must've caused quite a fright. They didn't understand the inner workings of meteorology. Imagine the panic a hurricane or earthquake would've incited.

In order to understand these phenomena and, perhaps, bring comfort to people, myths were created as explanations for the many mysteries of life. Even our ancestors contemplated the creation of earth, natural disasters, flaws in humanity, death, and love.

The word myth is derived from the Greek word mythos, which means "story." Myths usually came about during a time when science, philosophy, and technology were not very precise.

Myths exist in every culture and country. Most cultures have their own creation myth. The majority of myths, regardless of their premise, tend to involve the exploits of gods or heroes who possess god-like qualities. ''

Hahaha, you're driven by your serpent master to attack any near do wells. 24/7 .

Being wrong is not lying. Theists genuinely believe something to be true. Which just means a mistaken belief, not a lie.

Serpent master? Not at all. The bible story has Satan as the created agent of God, fulfilling the purpose of God, doing the will of God. Refer to Judaism.

How do you know that? Star Trek Voyager episode "Distant Origin"

Voyager encounters an alien race, but runs afoul of their principles. The Voth are sort of humanoid lizards, and the plot revolves around one particular scientist that has taken an interest in studying Voth origins.

Turns out that the Voth evolved on Earth to be a space fairing species before the great extinction event. They left Earth and arrived at a habitable planet in the Delta quadrant. It became their belief that they originated and evolved on that planet. Hence the conflict when Voyager encountered the Voth with evidence otherwise. (And the evolved-here Vothians won by forcing dissenting Vothians to recant.)

BTW Some would say birds are warm blooded dinosaurs.

Let me rephrase: Of course there is evidence for the existence of God but you refuse to acknowledge it because it doesn't constitute an absolute, incontrovertible and unassailable proof of the existence of God.

You can say the same of science. No scientific theory has ever been proven. People are still devising experiments regarding Einstein's theories. Each experiment not showing a divergent result adds to the evidence making a divergent result less likely to be observed but cannot prove that a divergent result will not be observed. Sir Issac can attest to that.

Christians have serious difficulty accepting what the Book says in that regard,
some are that silly they even claim not to have know about it.

God set Lucifer up knowing he would rebel,
God set Adam up for temptation, knowing he would take the bait,
God set Judas up for temptation, knowing he would take the bait.

NONE of which would be possible had God not allowed evil to be an official ingredient of his divine plan.

Satan is so important to God, that he even invites him to angel councils in heaven.

iF God tells Satan to do something, he follows it to the letter without fail,
something which christians cannot do.




The archetypal good/evil tales are entertaining, but when gOd sanctions incest for Noah after the flood,
iT gets real ugly.




and some are convinced they can see the shooter in the storm drain or Grassy Knoll.

This ^^^^.

Maybe you should brush up on the nature of evidence. Subjective experience alone is not an example of evidence. What someone happens to believe is not evidence. What it tells us in this or that holy book is not evidence. The existence of a complex universe is evidence for the existence of a complex universe, it does not say anything about creation by magic. As there are many possibilities, assuming that a Creator exists is not supported by the available information. The fact is, we do not know what the ultimate nature of the universe is, part of a larger system, fluctuation, branes, etc, etc. It is the theist who claims to know.

A pure spiritual non-material entity brought about our material realm....bizzare,

but it seems God had a 'hand' in it

psalm 19:1
"The heavens are telling of the glory of God; And their expanse is declaring the work of His hands."

That appears to be a case of inconvenient information.

''Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan also came among them. 7 The Lord said to Satan, “From where do you come?” Then Satan answered the Lord and said, “From roaming about on the earth and walking around on it.” 8 The Lord said to Satan, “Have you considered My servant Job? For there is no one like him on the earth, a blameless and upright man, fearing God and turning away from evil.” - the book of Job.

Nice deflection but it doesn't address what I said. I said nothing of faith, a holy book, or magic. And again, you're ignoring evidence because it's not a dispositive proof.

Christians will have you believe God created the universe but not the evil in it. ..

however I have come across some very few Christians who do ackowledge the Book,
that evil is Gods creation.

The statement that God created evil, given that God is the essence of good, is irrational. As stated many pages back and not refuted.

There was no deflection, I outlined what some folk consider to be evidence, with a short summary for why it actually isn't evidence for the existence of a God or gods. You say that I am ignoring evidence without actually providing examples of your evidence, or a rational argument to support your claim.

You say that it is irrational, yet the bible itself says what it says;


"I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create
evil: I the LORD do all these things." (Isaiah 45:7, KJV)

Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD hath not done it?" (Amos
3:6, KJV)

"Out of the mouth of the most High proceedeth not evil and good? "
(Lamentations 3:38)

''The Lord is a man of war'' Exodus 15:3.

"The Lord shall go forth as a mighty man, He shall stir up jealousy like a man of war: He shall cry, yea roar; He shall prevail against His enemies". Isaiah 42:13

Like as the lion and the young lion roaring on his prey . . . so
shall the Lord of hosts come down to fight for Mount Zion" Isa. 31:4

''For truly in this city there were gathered together against Thy holy servant Jesus, whom Thou didst anoint, both Herod and Pontius Pilate, along with the Gentiles and the peoples of Israel, to do whatever Thy hand and Thy purpose predestined to occur," (Acts 4:27-28).


''Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour? What if God, willing to show his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction: And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory'' - Romans 9:21-23



"And the LORD said unto him, Who hath made man's mouth? Or who maketh the dumb, or deaf, or the seeing, or the blind? Have not I the Lord?" Exodus 4:11



"The LORD hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil'' Proverbs 16:4

Here's a couple.

From science:
The Borde-Vilenkin-Guth Proof
The high improbability of a pure chance occurrence of our low-entropy universe
Thehigh improbability of other anthropic conditions (based on cosmological constants)

Or from Philosophy:
Aquinas' five proofs, contemporary version
Proof of God from transcendent desires

Here's one reference: Evidence of the Existence and Nature of God

Note that this constitutes evidence, not proof. Merely makes a conclusion more or less likely.

If you completely ignore the nuances in translating the Hebrew word "ra." Which you did when I mentioned this pages ago. As far as your favorite quote Isaiah 45:7, see Here for alternate translations which prove the point.

Asaiah 45:7 [English translations] can use any of these in place of evil:

disaster, doom, calamity,trouble, bad, woes,

do all those terms not relate to what evil God allowed Satan to do to Job?

God in effect prepared and brought such evil onto Job , and did it through an evil agent entity he permits to exist
and at the instruction of God.

You fail to distinguish moral evil or wickedness from physical "evil" such as calamity, disaster, etc, Allowing moral evil to exist is not the same as creating moral evil.