Red Flag laws are just wrong. They are a license for chicanery and if passed will negate the Second Amendment.
Well, do you support taking firearms from people deemed a danger to themselves or others by a medical professional? Or do you object to the term “red flag”? So be the ones to define “red flag”,define red flag as taking firearms from somebody 5150’d by a medical professional. Take the issue by being the one to define the issue.
How bout we don't pass needless harmful legislation that takes citizens rights away. There are legal avenues one can use to detain someone that is harmful to himself or others. What is it with this stupidity of wanting a new law for curtailing our freedom?
How bout we don't pass needless harmful legislation that takes citizens rights away. There are legal avenues one can use to detain someone that is harmful to himself or others. What is it with this stupidity of wanting a new law for curtailing our freedom?
Um, so they can curtail our freedom?
Just a wild guess.
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You know I get the apprehension over the red flag laws, but what about red flags raised over anyone who gets 5150’d, would that be acceptable to you? 5150 isn’t arbitrary, it isn’t political, it’s a medical professional stating you are a danger to yourself or others.
Originally Posted by Barkoff
Many here are reading a lot into this without knowing much about it. Is it your suggestion that nobody in society should ever be disarmed? Then how would you know this guy should not be, given the lack of detail?
The problem with that is that can be used and will be used to deprive people that have not been convicted of a crime of their Constitutional Rights.
If you think or say something that offends someone, you will find yourself in that black hole. Thought Police? 1984?
Just WHO makes those determinations of your mental fitness to own a firearm?...
Say you were in a car wreck when you were 19 years old where both parents were killed, and you were badly injured. You had months of rehab. The disruption to your life lead to depression. Doctors recommended you go get some help for that, and you spend 2 weeks in a facility for depression where you learned the tools to cope with your issues.... Congratulations! Now, at age 34, with no further issues, you go in to buy a shotgun to protect your growing family.... And are ruled unfit to buy or own a gun!
Congrats?
Do you trust the GOVERNMENT to administer these laws/policies?
Given the govt's history of fugging everything they touch up beyond all reason or repair.... NO!
The answer is so simple it is amazing. Joe Blow has an AR15 rifle.
Joe Blow makes public terroristic threat on social media or where people take notice.
District Atty. reviews evidence and files charges of Terroristic Threat on him. Issues warrant.
Police arrest Joe Blow and put him in jail, and at that point, his guns are no longer in his hands. If convicted, he longer has the right to own guns.
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What details have come out since then? I haven't heard anything about why the order was given? Shouldn't we be able to find out why someone thought he was a danger? And didn't we have laws on the books to take care of crazies before the red flag laws ever got passed in Maryland? I hope for the sake of police here they don't start this in the state of Misery. I have friends on the police force. Be Well. Rusty
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I'm not in favor of red flag laws because they are unconstitutional, but pulling your gun on two cops is just plain stupid. Maybe the old dude was crazy.....probably thought he was Matt Dillon or something.
To him, being subject to tyranny was a worse fate than death. The Founding Father's felt that way, too.
Many here are reading a lot into this without knowing much about it. Is it your suggestion that nobody in society should ever be disarmed? Then how would you know this guy should not be, given the lack of detail?
When someone is suspected of being unstable and a threat to themselves or others, there are methods for dealing with this involving a hearing where the accused has a chance to face his accusers and contradict them with the aid of legal representation, a neutral judge, and a jury of his peers. That has to happen first, before any action is taken against him or his property. We are presumed innocent in the US till proven otherwise in a proper court of law. Yes, there are risks to society in this. A free people is willing to accept that risk.
Many here are reading a lot into this without knowing much about it. Is it your suggestion that nobody in society should ever be disarmed? Then how would you know this guy should not be, given the lack of detail?
When someone is suspected of being unstable and a threat to themselves or others, there are methods for dealing with this involving a hearing where the accused has a chance to face his accusers and contradict them with the aid of legal representation, a neutral judge, and a jury of his peers. That has to happen first, before any action is taken against him or his property. We are presumed innocent in the US till proven otherwise in a proper court of law. Yes, there are risks to society in this. A free people is willing to accept that risk.
This. ^^^ Surely these state laws will end up at the SCOTUS level.
We pray our sights be straight and our aim be true We pray for no pain to the game we pursue We thank you Lord for this land We thank you for the sights from our stands We pray for safety, one and all We pray we may return next fall
The problem with that is that can be used and will be used to deprive people that have not been convicted of a crime of their Constitutional Rights.
If you think or say something that offends someone, you will find yourself in that black hole. Thought Police? 1984?
Just WHO makes those determinations of your mental fitness to own a firearm?...
Say you were in a car wreck when you were 19 years old where both parents were killed, and you were badly injured. You had months of rehab. The disruption to your life lead to depression. Doctors recommended you go get some help for that, and you spend 2 weeks in a facility for depression where you learned the tools to cope with your issues.... Congratulations! Now, at age 34, with no further issues, you go in to buy a shotgun to protect your growing family.... And are ruled unfit to buy or own a gun!
Congrats?
Do you trust the GOVERNMENT to administer these laws/policies?
Given the govt's history of fugging everything they touch up beyond all reason or repair.... NO!
The answer is so simple it is amazing. Joe Blow has an AR15 rifle.
Joe Blow makes public terroristic threat on social media or where people take notice.
District Atty. reviews evidence and files charges of Terroristic Threat on him. Issues warrant.
Police arrest Joe Blow and put him in jail, and at that point, his guns are no longer in his hands. If convicted, he longer has the right to own guns.
I'm not in favor of red flag laws because they are unconstitutional, but pulling your gun on two cops is just plain stupid. Maybe the old dude was crazy.....probably thought he was Matt Dillon or something.
He probably thought he was a minute man, and was wondering why he didn't hear the call to arms in the middle of the night. I mean, since we're speculating.
P.S. The minute men standing up to the world's largest standing army was just plain stupid, too.
Many here are reading a lot into this without knowing much about it. Is it your suggestion that nobody in society should ever be disarmed? Then how would you know this guy should not be, given the lack of detail?
When someone is suspected of being unstable and a threat to themselves or others, there are methods for dealing with this involving a hearing where the accused has a chance to face his accusers and contradict them with the aid of legal representation, a neutral judge, and a jury of his peers. That has to happen first, before any action is taken against him or his property. We are presumed innocent in the US till proven otherwise in a proper court of law. Yes, there are risks to society in this. A free people is willing to accept that risk.
That's the problem with society anymore, they accept NO risk. They want their freedom but anytime anything goes haywire they want you to lose your freedom to fix it.
They don't realize me losing my freedom is them losing their freedom. That's the problem with society splitting down the middle. Each side wants the other to make all the changes and lose all their freedoms so they can continue on their merry little way unimpeded. Doesn't work that way when the government brokers the deal.
Everyone loses.
_______________________________________________________ An 8 dollar driveway boy living in a T-111 shack
We pray our sights be straight and our aim be true We pray for no pain to the game we pursue We thank you Lord for this land We thank you for the sights from our stands We pray for safety, one and all We pray we may return next fall
When officers began to serve him the order, Willis became irate and grabbed his gun.
He was an idiot. That'll get you shot even when they're giving you a ticket for a barking dog. They didn't shoot him for the red flag law. They shot him in self defense. The cops have the right to defend themselves.
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It's not over when you lose. It's over when you quit.
When officers began to serve him the order, Willis became irate and grabbed his gun.
He was an idiot. That'll get you shot even when they're giving you a ticket for a barking dog. They didn't shoot him for the red flag law. They shot him in self defense. The cops have the right to defend themselves.
Do the cops also take an oath to uphold the Constitution?
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