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Its never straight forward with Catholics, there's always some convoluted spin twist interpretation involved.




I used a dictionary with variety of definitions for control, you used one childish example of your own 'a radio control truck'

so who's the one being narrow and cherry picking?

Not all forms of CONTROL are as rigid as you like to make out....People under the control or influence of others
are not robotic like an RC model.

Jesus in the wilderness was regulated by the Spirit , which means the Spirit had some form of influence or control.

I used a dictionary with a variety of definitions too, you seemed to have overlooked that. Of course the synonyms I underscore like "dominance" don't support your argument.

Or are you capitulating that being "controlled" by the Holy Spirit does not negate free will to do other than He suggests? It's a little hard to tell.

Watch out, Catholics will eat you.

Actually they do.....dictionaries define 'dominate' as being controlling.

(Women complain of having over-controlling or domineering partners)

so again, control does not have to mean rigid robotic control like an RC truck

control can mean = influence , regulate, guide, lead, steer, direct,....



I have made no mention of free will, my point is all about control/influence.

I can't finally capitulate to something I have not mentioned or not been debating with you.

Have you ever heard the term about someone having controlling influence over someone?



If being guided by someone, do they have a controlling influence ?

The theory of evolution could be interesting from a science standpoint, as a curiosity, but has no worth as a mean to advance human understanding, or any practical use in modern times.

Math, geometry physics, genetics, all have useful applications to humans. All the theory of evolution can postulate, even if someday proven, is that animals that lived in the past are different than those that will live in the future. No shat, never woulda thought of that. And even that part of it is worthless, due to genetic engineering and species protection.

It's so worthless, there would have to be an agenda for it to be taught in a school at all.

Its only use, is as a socialist, liberal tool to be used to dissuade others from believing in some variety, any variety, of theology.

That's why it's over-promoted as a science, funded and taught in schools.

AGW followed in the footsteps of the theory of evolution, BS "science" applied to theory-confirming, overstated and inaccurate observations, and followed only by true believers in the faith, for the purpose of destroying modern society.

Supporters of both AGW and evolution theories on the fire are the proof.

funny you should say that given that science is wholly involved in studying it, and using it to understand the world. Not bad for a mere curiosity of no practical use. Obviously, you still have your head in the sand.

You will never get a clue, not even one, but that's why you are so funny. Pathetic funny, but funny.





gibberish, girl. just gibberish. One hell of a conspiracy and only you and a tiny handful of idiots have tumbled on to it. Amazing.

The key word is 'infinite' - it is the meaning and signifance of the word that sets the terms, not me.

Infinite goodness means absolute goodness, which means the absence of badness or evil.

Something that is partly bad cannot be described as infinitely or absolutely good.

Neither does the average person, 'spirit filled' or not. I have seen people who claim to be 'spirit filled' behave as badly as anyone.

That is true.

I suppose the same could be said of Astronomy and Cosmology. Why would we waste time and money in study of the cosmos. It can do nothing for humanity.

Why do we waste all that money on SETI? What a joke!

Meteorology? It is not like we can change the weather patterns. That is God's pervue. What a waste.

Quantum Physics? What a waste. We can not see it. We can not use it.

Plate tectonics? It is not like we can change the drift of continents.

And NASA? OMG, what might have been accomplished if we had used those funds for peaceful pursuits, instead of sending men to the moon?

These things are worth pursuing just for curiosity's sake. Anything which expands the base of human knowledge is a blessing. Knowledge is never detrimental. Except perhaps to those dependent upon their ancient myths.

If scientific research were controlled by folks like you and my dear Grandparents, we would have never exceeded 50,000 feet in altitude or broken the sound barrier.

I can still remember Grandpa and Grandma commenting on the Apollo Program.

"The heavens belong to God. God will never allow man to go past the edge of our atmosphere.?

Just checking in. I see things are moving along nicely.

Many of the sciences you cited as worthless, have useful applications, especially when a person lives in tornado alley.

Evolutionists tend to become more frantic when exposed, just like the AGW faithful.

Aren't they though?

I recognize the value of all scientific studies. I wondered which of them you might.

It's much easier to wonder, and try and talk about other sciences, than it is to justify the waste of time that is the theory of evolution, isn't it?

Why don't we just stick to the theory of evolution, and all its practical uses?

You start.

Thank you TF49 for taking this on and actually trying to make sense of it.
I still cannot quite agree though. The Easter Bunny/Santa Claus examples were admittedly silly, and chosen for that reason, but you correctly pointed out there is no evidence that would make a rational person even consider their existence. Still, I would say that there is no choice available there to the reasonable man, you really couldn't force yourself to believe it, even if you wanted to.

Let's take something like UFO's for an example,and assume they are aalien beings from other worlds. There is "evidence" for this, at least according to some. I want them to be real. I want them to be from far off exotic worlds. I want them to come here and tell us awesome mind blowing things. I really,really do. I've watched documentaries, read books, listened to interviews etc, and I still can't say I believe. The evidence presented is usually not verifiable, or the people aren't credible,or the stories seem just a little too implausible for me to get fully on board. On the other hand, someone else may see the exact same documentaries,interviews and articles and be fully convinced, completely sure that other-worldly aliens do indeed exist.

I believe that people are indeed largely a product of their environment, but not completely. Many factors are at play, but no doubt the environment has a massive influence. For example, how many who consider themselves Christian would admit that had they been raised in a Muslim country,by Muslim parents, they would now almost certainly be Muslim? Not all, of course,as some people raised Muslim do indeed convert to other religions,or abandon it all together. So, maybe you wouldn't be a Muslim, but you have to admit that the chances are much greater that you would be.

Closer to home, we have Mormons. I know good, smart people who are Mormons, people as capable of rational thought in most matters as anyone else, I would say. These people believe things that I find baffling. I read their stuff and it seems totally bizarre to me. If one of them were to say "you have to want to believe it for it to make sense", I don't think I could actually make myself want to believe it. It's just too far out there for my brain to say "yeah this might be legit, let's look into it". Those Mormons could now say I've chosen not to believe, but I maintain I had no choice, I simply found it unbelievable.

I don't know of any frantic evolutionists. Creationists appear to get a little hot and bothered though, jumping from science to the destruction of the country within the blink of an eye.

I think first you have to believe there is something about people that goes beyond a physical existence. The ancient Greeks struggled with that and that's where any consideration of Western Philosophy starts. Then you can consider exploring that part of human existence. Exploring the physical nature of human existence is a whole 'nother endeavor. If you conflate the two you get something like 1,196 posts that pretty much end up where they started.

Earlier, I posted a link to one written by a Catholic. Do Catholics fall into you description of "liberals determined to destroy our country"?

How about not starting with any presuppositions?