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I have a large selection of .308 bullets and not one .277.
I have enough rifles to load for.
Then there's that hetero thing, too.... (grin)
Actually it's action length and a barrel generally no longer than 22", often shorter. I believe a .270 benefits from a 24" barrel, and the action length added to that makes for an obliviously longer rifle and I tend to hunt thicker stuff at shorter ranges. I do have a 24" .30-06, and it's not as handy in the woods as my 20" .308. But it can be used, it amounts to personal preference.
JB has an excellent chapter on the .270 in Gun Gack #1.
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You need both. I have one of each that are my absolute "go to" guns. A R77 RL in 308 and a R77 R in 270. Born killers. Of course I have more that fall in line behind these two.
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I have several of each. I like them both. They both kill deer and pigs equally well!
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Splitting hairs as about any argument is going to subjective if this is a hunting discussion. Objectively, a whitetail, elk, or a moose will never be able to tell the difference. Benchrest, the 308 gets the edge.
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Short action.
Bullet selection
Heavier bullets
I own a .270. (am I allowed to admit that here?)
It's my wife's rifle
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Because I have several thousand .284 bullets, and I lost Ackleys load data on pushing 284 bullets down a 270 bore.............
that............. and they're gay!
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I have both. 270 is my go to simply because of the type of hunting I do. Could get by with either but why? Ginger or Mary Anne?
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So you take two rifles hunting with you at all times? Same
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I think that main difference lies in the ability for the 308 to be made into a shorter, lighter, handier rifle without sacrificing almost any of its ballistics to start with.
You can go to 20", even 18", and lose hardly anything in the 308. With a stiff barrel, it maintains its inherent accuracy. And in my opinion and that of some others (for instance some African PHs), the slightly larger bore diameter leaves just enough of a larger wound channel upon entrance/exit even with stiff bullets that you get a more reliable blood trail when needed. I've not seen anything that a 30 caliber won't do as well or often "better" than a 27.
That said, it would be all about the "platform" for me, and how well if fits and feels in the field. 270 vs 308 is a tossup for most practical intents.
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Another thing to consider would be cheap milsurp ammo for practice in the 308, depending on a rifles particular chamber dimensions. I found that out the hard way when a bunch of $75 for 500 CAVIM ball came home with me. The Boat Paddle was not happy. It did work fine in a Steyr M98, though, and the brass was fine for reloading.
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short action can be built into a very light rifle.
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Not A Single One ....... where I hunt and MY requirements. Jerry btw - I had one. Never thot about getting another one.
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So you take two rifles hunting with you at all times? Same I like threesomes.
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Sniper clothes versus a dress, maybe 😂😎 This kept me from self-lobotomizing.
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270 over 308 Unless you get the old faithful 06
All of them do something better than the 30-06, but none of them do everything as well.
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I chose anything over a 270 because:
I gave my stepsons 270s as they hunt with their dad and he uses one. That way they can steal ammo from him rather than me!
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