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A big boar in the shield with birdshot and you better be fast or have a backup plan.
~Molɔ̀ːn Labé Skýla~
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Yes true story. An oz of 8s at under 10ft is just like a 1oz slug. Shoot right through a pig’s skull Not even close to a 1oz slug. Does not have the penetration of a slug. But it will damn near cut a pine 2x4 in half. I think it would make it through the skull if you hit a pig just a bit higher than between the eyes. The problem is standing there waiting for the pig to get close enough for it to be effective.
People who choose to brew up their own storms bitch loudest about the rain.
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Yes true story. An oz of 8s at under 10ft is just like a 1oz slug. Shoot right through a pig’s skull Not even close to a 1oz slug. Does not have the penetration of a slug. But it will damn near cut a pine 2x4 in half. I think it would make it through the skull if you hit a pig just a bit higher than between the eyes. The problem is standing there waiting for the pig to get close enough for it to be effective. I agree, and making the shot in that situation.
~Molɔ̀ːn Labé Skýla~
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What are those dipschitts doing using scopes at handshake ranges, anyway? Express sights or a ghost ring on a semi-auto or a lever action seems more appropriate for that kind of situation.
Jerry
Ignorance can be fixed. Stupid is forever!
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I have 3 rifles I think are ideal for those situations. A .45-70 Guide gun, an M1 Garand, and an AR in .458 SOCOM. Honorable mention to a Winchester M94.
The reason: Very rapid repeat shots.
#4 was a case study of what not to do. Don't admire your first shot. He was obviously using a semi-auto, but went so far as to unshoulder the rifle after the pig went down.
A red dot is just plain awesome in those situations, too
You bet Vic, my 16" 7.62 REPR loaded with 130gr TSX or as Viking said below, i'll unscrew that 1-3/4-5 Burris from that old Belgian BAR 338 and have at em with 250gr Partitions and the factory irons.
Trump Won!
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Have killed a bunch of porkers with rifle rounds covering a large part of the caliber spectrum. My favorite is here in my hands, #3 buck at about 20 yards. That particular gun has accounted for about 70 hogs in its day, none required a repeat shot. Anyone doubting the efficacy of close range shot might not have a lot of experience with such things in the field. Fug a bunch of shield theory....it's not so much the gun as the jerk behind the trigger that gets it done. ![[Linked Image]](https://i.imgur.com/NBAj3RL.jpg)
I am..........disturbed.
Concerning the difference between man and the jackass: some observers hold that there isn't any. But this wrongs the jackass. -Twain
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Have killed a bunch of porkers with rifle rounds covering a large part of the caliber spectrum. My favorite is here in my hands, #3 buck at about 20 yards. That particular gun has accounted for about 70 hogs in its day, none required a repeat shot. Anyone doubting the efficacy of close range shot might not have a lot of experience with such things in the field. Fug a bunch of shield theory....it's not so much the gun as the jerk behind the trigger that gets it done. 3 buck isn’t birdshot.
~Molɔ̀ːn Labé Skýla~
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Yes true story. An oz of 8s at under 10ft is just like a 1oz slug. Shoot right through a pig’s skull Not even close to a 1oz slug. Does not have the penetration of a slug. But it will damn near cut a pine 2x4 in half. I think it would make it through the skull if you hit a pig just a bit higher than between the eyes. The problem is standing there waiting for the pig to get close enough for it to be effective. Put the 2x4 edge ways toward you and 1 1/4 oz of #4 birdshot will take it completely in half, even with a heavy winter coat draped over it. Just a test I did with my home defense gun back when deciding what load I was going to keep in it.
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I believe all that DD, plus, some hollow point SD bullets are indeed tough to penetrate shields, I've already done it twice with my lowly P226 40 cal and 200gr XTP's, that combo is a soft shooting hole punching sombuck Sir.
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And it carries 16 rounds on board and ready, it and a spare mag in my back pocket is exactly what I do and will carry again this year out bow and muzzle loader hunting, I have hog, black bear and mountain lion right here on this farm.
Trump Won!
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Have killed a bunch of porkers with rifle rounds covering a large part of the caliber spectrum. My favorite is here in my hands, #3 buck at about 20 yards. That particular gun has accounted for about 70 hogs in its day, none required a repeat shot. Anyone doubting the efficacy of close range shot might not have a lot of experience with such things in the field. Fug a bunch of shield theory....it's not so much the gun as the jerk behind the trigger that gets it done. 3 buck isn’t birdshot. No it is not. #8 shot at 10-15' will end the game however, every time. #5 or 6 will stretch a wee bit further, 20-25' easy. I'm speaking from experience, not theory. If you don't understand that, make sure you stick to rifles and pistols for the rest of your days.
I am..........disturbed.
Concerning the difference between man and the jackass: some observers hold that there isn't any. But this wrongs the jackass. -Twain
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Have killed a bunch of porkers with rifle rounds covering a large part of the caliber spectrum. My favorite is here in my hands, #3 buck at about 20 yards. That particular gun has accounted for about 70 hogs in its day, none required a repeat shot. Anyone doubting the efficacy of close range shot might not have a lot of experience with such things in the field. Fug a bunch of shield theory....it's not so much the gun as the jerk behind the trigger that gets it done. 3 buck isn’t birdshot. No it is not. #8 shot at 10-15' will end the game however, every time. #5 or 6 will stretch a wee bit further, 20-25' easy. I'm speaking from experience, not theory. If you don't understand that, make sure you stick to rifles and pistols for the rest of your days. Ok
~Molɔ̀ːn Labé Skýla~
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BTW. You have pictures of the birdshot hogs right?
~Molɔ̀ːn Labé Skýla~
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Campfire Kahuna
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No. You have a picture of your brain?
I am..........disturbed.
Concerning the difference between man and the jackass: some observers hold that there isn't any. But this wrongs the jackass. -Twain
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No. You have a picture of your brain? Lol.
~Molɔ̀ːn Labé Skýla~
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"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." **Edmund Burke**
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." **Benjamin Franklin**
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Have killed a bunch of porkers with rifle rounds covering a large part of the caliber spectrum. My favorite is here in my hands, #3 buck at about 20 yards. That particular gun has accounted for about 70 hogs in its day, none required a repeat shot. Anyone doubting the efficacy of close range shot might not have a lot of experience with such things in the field. Fug a bunch of shield theory....it's not so much the gun as the jerk behind the trigger that gets it done. Nicely done, sir. At the ranges we're talking about, even the shot cup will blow through 1/2" plywood. Some folks just don't respect a shotgun properly.
An unemployed Jester, is nobody's Fool.
the only real difference between a good tracker and a bad tracker, is observation. all the same data is present for both. The rest, is understanding what you're seeing.
~Molɔ̀ːn Labé Skýla~
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Have killed a bunch of porkers with rifle rounds covering a large part of the caliber spectrum. My favorite is here in my hands, #3 buck at about 20 yards. That particular gun has accounted for about 70 hogs in its day, none required a repeat shot. Anyone doubting the efficacy of close range shot might not have a lot of experience with such things in the field. Fug a bunch of shield theory....it's not so much the gun as the jerk behind the trigger that gets it done. Nicely done, sir. At the ranges we're talking about, even the shot cup will blow through 1/2" plywood. Some folks just don't respect a shotgun properly. You said “it’s the same as a slug” You standing behind that?
~Molɔ̀ːn Labé Skýla~
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That Winchester Defender is a wicked round the way it looks. Never heard of buckshot over slug before.
The deer hunter does not notice the mountains
"I fear all we have done is to awaken a sleeping giant and fill him with a terrible resolve" - Isoroku Yamamoto
There sure are a lot of America haters that want to live here...
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Have killed a bunch of porkers with rifle rounds covering a large part of the caliber spectrum. My favorite is here in my hands, #3 buck at about 20 yards. That particular gun has accounted for about 70 hogs in its day, none required a repeat shot. Anyone doubting the efficacy of close range shot might not have a lot of experience with such things in the field. Fug a bunch of shield theory....it's not so much the gun as the jerk behind the trigger that gets it done. Nicely done, sir. At the ranges we're talking about, even the shot cup will blow through 1/2" plywood. Some folks just don't respect a shotgun properly. You said “it’s the same as a slug” You standing behind that? What I said was "Since there is no real time or distance for the lead to spread, it acts like a 1oz slug. It will, without a doubt, kill the fuq out of it." And I stand by it. Shot size matters due to distance and spread, when neither are present, there is not much difference. At spitting distances, it is devastating.
An unemployed Jester, is nobody's Fool.
the only real difference between a good tracker and a bad tracker, is observation. all the same data is present for both. The rest, is understanding what you're seeing.
~Molɔ̀ːn Labé Skýla~
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