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Setting up a gun for my daughter to deer hunt with for the first time this year, .260 Rem barrel on my Encore frame and looking at a low to mid power scope since she will not be shooting over 75-100yds. Thinking of a Burris Fullfield ll 2-7x35 or a Leuplod 2-7x33. any opinions, recent experiences with either good or bad? I love my Zeiss but just can't bring myself to spend that kind of money until I know if she is going to stick with it or not. Thanks in advance.
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Have you considered the Burris Four X 1.5-6x42mm - 3P#4 E Dot Illuminated? It'll give her a wider FOV on closer shots, slightly brighter image and these are on sale for only $259.99 reduced from $499.99
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The Burris 3x9 with the Ballistic Plex is a GREAT scope. Excellent eye relief and very usable reticle. The eye relief seems a bit better than their 2x7’s but both are a lot of scope for the money.
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I really like Burris and I have the 2x7 and it is a good scope. That said, I’m not overly fond of its dimensions. The Leupold is easier to mount and looks a little better on anything other than the smallest rifles. I have a Howa Mini and the Burris is perfect for that. It looks funny on anything else.
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I have all Leupolds. Never a problem with any of them. I have a VX-1 2-7x33 and it's a good one. I have VX2's, VX3's and VX5's. I like them all.
The few Burris' that have been on my rifles didn't turn my crank much at all.
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I have a 2-7x33 Leupold VX-II that I’ve had on a lightweight .30-06 and now .308 Win. It has been problem free for 16 years. I’ve owned several Burris scopes and still have them on hard kicking rifles and they are fine. I don’t think there is too much difference in the glass of either one you mention. With all the recent saber rattling of late about Leupold scopes, I might try the Burris even though it is made offshore just like most of the Leupold components. Happy Trails
Ps: Another thought: Buy the scope you would buy for yourself. If she wanders away from hunting, you have a new scope!
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Setting up a gun for my daughter to deer hunt with for the first time this year, .260 Rem barrel on my Encore frame and looking at a low to mid power scope since she will not be shooting over 75-100yds. Thinking of a Burris Fullfield ll 2-7x35 or a Leuplod 2-7x33. any opinions, recent experiences with either good or bad? I love my Zeiss but just can't bring myself to spend that kind of money until I know if she is going to stick with it or not. Thanks in advance. Diversion: Which load have you chosen for her to shoot?
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I just picked up a Burris Fullfield E1 3-9x50 with the german #4 illuminated dot and I must say its very clear and crisp and also fairly light weight. Would get another.
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Thanks for the replies and keep them coming. I like the idea of the 1.5-6x42 as long as doesn't make the gun too heavy, appears to be about 8 ounces heavier than the 2-7x35 and an inch or so longer. Going to load 120 gr. Barnes TTSX at 2500-2600 fps, also having a brake put on the barrel as she is small framed but wanted something she could grow with and since I reload I can go up or down in the load for her. I currently load the 130 gr. TTSX at 2730 fps for my best friend's two sons who both shoot a .260 and it is a killer if the bullet is placed correctly.
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Any particular reason for the Barnes at those modest speeds?
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I been shooting Barnes X in one form or another for many years, never had one to fail to do the job at modest or ultra high speed and I am not wanting the kick to be an issue for her. I can always speed it up later if she can handle it. I shoot a 300 RUM with 180 gr TTSX, in the past I have shot a 300WM with a 165 gr original X and then TSX and a 30-06 with the TSX, terminal performance has been great with all of them and if you reload and take time to find the sweet spot off the lands they are as accurate as any bullet made. This about a 9 yo girl who weighs 60 lbs. full clothed and soaking wet, MAYBE so why scare her with a hot load?
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Or a loaded down cup and core plain Jane bullet.
As far as a scope goes either of the 2 you’re looking at. My wife has a 3-9 loopy on her M7in 260 and I have a 2-7 Monarch on my M7 260. My wife likes the eye box of the loopy and it is better than the Burris in that respect. I have 2 3-9 Burris Tac30s and they’re a good scope especially for what I paid for them.
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I have a Burris compact 3-9 and the newer Burris Timberline 4.5-14 both in the ballistic plex. The Burris compact has been to Africa three times and to New Zealand in 2016. Never had them knocked off sighted in. The baggage handlers could not do it. Beating it around the bush all over the U.S. couldn’t knock it off sighted in at 200 yds. Both reasonably priced and will be on my rifles for good. I do have a Leupold, Swarovski, Weaver and a two more Burris scopes. All seem to be good if taken reasonable care of. But, I do like my Burris. MTG
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I been shooting Barnes X in one form or another for many years, never had one to fail to do the job at modest or ultra high speed and I am not wanting the kick to be an issue for her. I can always speed it up later if she can handle it. I shoot a 300 RUM with 180 gr TTSX, in the past I have shot a 300WM with a 165 gr original X and then TSX and a 30-06 with the TSX, terminal performance has been great with all of them and if you reload and take time to find the sweet spot off the lands they are as accurate as any bullet made. This about a 9 yo girl who weighs 60 lbs. full clothed and soaking wet, MAYBE so why scare her with a hot load? I strongly agree with using a mild load, it's the Barnes part I'm asking about. For the appropriately modest ranges you mentioned I'd go even milder. Think along the lines of a 100 grain Nosler at 250 Savage speed pushed by something like 4895.
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I own Leupolds and Burris Fullfields. I tested my latest Fullfield against my Leupold Vx3 well past sunset -same basic 3-9x40ish config and kept waiting for the Vx3 to outshine it at at well over twice the cost but it never happened. Still love the Vx3 but.... Clicks are identical on both - could be crisper, but are repeatable and I have never lost zero.
I would look Fullfield but of course either will work. 9 year old eyes can do a lot more than most of ours reading this.
As for a load for your little girl- so many here use the 100 grain 6.5 nosler ballistic tips for deer and more. They swear by them and it seems like the perfect bullet choice at the speed you want to drive it. Can't see how you could get less kick using anything else.
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I might drop back to the 100 gr. TTSX and I have seen several deer shot with ballistic tips over the years in my Dad's 30-06 and they are deadly and very accurate (.3" groups in his gun) but I am just partial to the Barnes. If I have time before the season I might buy a box of Noslers and pop a coyote or small pig to see how it does and go from there. Thanks for all the input, I really like the look of the 1.5-6x42 mentioned above at Cameraland but I think it might be a little bulky on the Encore for her.
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Barnes bullets going slow is not a recipe for success.
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Barnes bullets going slow is not a recipe for success. Yep, go with the 100 BT
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I been shooting Barnes X in one form or another for many years, never had one to fail to do the job at modest or ultra high speed and I am not wanting the kick to be an issue for her. I can always speed it up later if she can handle it. I shoot a 300 RUM with 180 gr TTSX, in the past I have shot a 300WM with a 165 gr original X and then TSX and a 30-06 with the TSX, terminal performance has been great with all of them and if you reload and take time to find the sweet spot off the lands they are as accurate as any bullet made. This about a 9 yo girl who weighs 60 lbs. full clothed and soaking wet, MAYBE so why scare her with a hot load? I strongly agree with using a mild load, it's the Barnes part I'm asking about. For the appropriately modest ranges you mentioned I'd go even milder. Think along the lines of a 100 grain Nosler at 250 Savage speed pushed by something like 4895. That's another way of saying 6.5 Grendel. Difference being you don't have to load for it and there's. $0.25 per round plinking available for it.
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being as you expect her to take all shots from a rested aim, the weight of that 1.5-6x will be welcome.
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