...s a result of the influence of Lenin, Stalin and other Soviet leaders, Darwin became ‘an intellectual hero in the Soviet Union. There is a splendid Darwin museum in Moscow, and the Soviet authorities struck a special Darwin medal in honour of the centenary of The Origin’.48
As often the case in your posts, this has absolutely nothing to do with biological evolution.
...s a result of the influence of Lenin, Stalin and other Soviet leaders, Darwin became ‘an intellectual hero in the Soviet Union. There is a splendid Darwin museum in Moscow, and the Soviet authorities struck a special Darwin medal in honour of the centenary of The Origin’.48
As often the case in your posts, this has absolutely nothing to do with biological evolution.
Yes, but they have to attack it in any fashion possible. This talk of evolution threatens their entire belief system.
I have a fair amount of first hand knowledge with people who lived through 70 years of Communism where it was a state crime to teach anything other than atheism and evolution in the public forum.
Actually, the teaching of Darwinian Evolution was outlawed in the Soviet Union. They declared it a product of bourgeois capitalism, since it emphasized competition for survival. Instead, they required that Lamarckianism be taught as the means by which speciation occurred. Lamarckianims proposes that, for example, the ancestors of giraffes struggling to reach higher and higher edibles in the trees, stretched their necks ever so slightly throughout their lives by this process, and then passed that slight morphological change on to their descendants, till eventually we had modern day giraffes. Anyone caught teaching Darwinian Evolution was arrested for promoting competition rather than cooperation.
As a result of this, the Soviet Union suffered year after year of crop failure, eventually leading to their giving up of Lamarckianism and conceding that Darwinian Evolution was correct.
This, The teaching and study of Mendelavian genetics was outlawed in the USSR. Tough to teach evolution without basic genetics.
People who choose to brew up their own storms bitch loudest about the rain.
If the donkey, the horse, and the zebra can produce cross-species offspring (although infertile), doesn't that imply that God didn't blink them into existence as separate species?
If he did blink them into existence as separate species in three distinct acts of creation, why would they have any chance at all of producing any sort of cross-species offspring, any more than, say, a flounder and a cottontail rabbit can?
If he didn't blink the donkey, the horse, and the zebra into existence as three separate species in three distinct acts of creation, then you must confess that they were at one time a single species. If so, how did they become three distinct species? By what process? Whatever your answer is, it cannot be that it was an example of micro evolution. It would have to be macro by definition, since they cannot produce fertile offspring cross-species, establishing that they are three different species of equine.
Ten years prior to Darwin's book a creationist wrote about adaptation. Coming off the ark was the horse kind, the deer kind, the elephant kind, cat kind and all the kinds that originated the animals we now see.
And Noah was, what, some 4000 years ago?
And all these separate kinds, got split up into different orders, and those orders into separate families, and those families into separate genera, and those Genera into separate species, and those species divided into subspecies.............all in about 4000 yrs?
Yet some claim that speciation occurs at a rate too slowly to explain the diversity upon the Earth today?
I think the Flood was about 5,000 years ago. And the answer is YES.
Okay, just checking.
People who choose to brew up their own storms bitch loudest about the rain.
71 pages on my machine. Can we do 100? I doubt we'll catch up to Q, but we can try.
Geno
The desert is a true treasure for him who seeks refuge from men and the evil of men. In it is contentment In it is death and all you seek (Quoted from "The Bleeding of the Stone" Ibrahim Al-Koni)
Alleged discovery of missing links from credible science--national news--then silently disappearing as a hoax--that is not a change! Come on piltdown man and Lucy. Lucy is still on display at some museums.
Pildown man was received by science with skepticism from the start, and science eventually proved it was a hoax. That's how the scientific method weeds out falsity. As for Lucy, why wouldn't her bones still be on display??
You are truly smoking dope here. It was touted as fact for fifty years. Doctorate dissertations were written using it. Quit reading lies.
"Only Christ is the fullness of God's revelation." Everyday Hunter
Sorry, but if there was a world wide flood, no way it happened only 5000 years ago. Genesis literalism is completely and thoroughly repudiated by science.
Sorry. There was a world wide flood. It happened about 5,000 years ago. Genesis is literal history and rejected by those who reject science.
"Only Christ is the fullness of God's revelation." Everyday Hunter
You are truly smoking dope here. It was touted as fact for fifty years. Doctorate dissertations were written using it. Quit reading lies.
Bwahahahaha! It was presented to the scientific community in 1912.
"As early as 1913, David Waterston of King's College London published in Nature his conclusion that the sample consisted of an ape mandible and human skull. Likewise, French paleontologist Marcellin Boule concluded the same thing in 1915. A third opinion from the American zoologist Gerrit Smith Miller concluded that Piltdown's jaw came from a fossil ape. In 1923, Franz Weidenreich examined the remains and correctly reported that they consisted of a modern human cranium and an orangutan jaw with filed-down teeth."
- Wikipedia
In fact, no respectable museum of natural history would put it on display, based on the fact that the scientific community smelled a rat from the start.
Sorry, but if there was a world wide flood, no way it happened only 5000 years ago. Genesis literalism is completely and thoroughly repudiated by science.
Sorry. There was a world wide flood. It happened about 5,000 years ago. Genesis is literal history and rejected by those who reject science.
Rich, I commend your faith.
But heartily disagree with your conclusions. grinning
People who choose to brew up their own storms bitch loudest about the rain.
I recently watched a Nova presentation on the floods over the Scablands of Wa State. It seems Lake Missoula in Montana filled and broke the ice dam and drained multiple times during previous ice ages. The waters raced across N Id and Wa State leaving a miles wide path of destruction behind.
Core samples from just off shore show the various sediment layers deposited by various floods.
We know the Salt Lake Basin was once filled with water. My understanding is that it drained down the Snake River cutting the Snake River Canyon in just a matter of days.
Hell's Canyon was once dammed at the top near Farewell Bend Or. There are stories of a volcanic eruption which blocked the canyon, and of course periodic ice dams must have occurred. Thus Lake Bonneville was formed which at different times covered SW Idaho, SE Oregon, most of Utah, and a big hunk of Nevada.
Lots and lots of regional floods. But no, nothing which inundated the entire Earth.
It is interesting to me that the Chinese have written histories which go back 6000 years. Ancient oriental art depicts orientals as always having oriental eyes. Interesting to know how they had those eyes before the flood, and how descendants of Noah who later resettled in the orient also came to have oriental eyes.
People who choose to brew up their own storms bitch loudest about the rain.
Flood accounts do not equate to a worldwide deluge where even the mountains are submerged and an ark is needed to save a selection of people and animals in order to repopulate the earth......It did not happen, the story is impossible.
The story was probably embellished from a localized flood event/hero legend what a family saved their themselves and their livestock under difficult conditions, to the amazement of the surrounding tribes.
You are missing the whole point. Have you read these flood accounts? You claim Genesis is a borrow account and then you say the other accounts were simply local disasters. Well if Genesis was recorded as a worldwide flood that wiped out the whole race it certainly did not borrow from a local washout account. The other accounts are not recording local washouts either. Where did all these accounts come from all over the world? They could not have been borrowing all from each other unless they started with a single source about a singular worldwide event. Your contention is lacking the most basic logic.
Genesis is not an account of an actual world wide flood, it is a work of fiction....the ancients loved their stories, they loved a good yarn over the campfire. Stories got told and retold and embellished over time and retelling.
''Various archaeologists suggest there was a historical deluge between 5,000 and 7,000 years ago that hit lands ranging from the Black Sea to what many call the cradle of civilization, the flood plain between the Tigris and Euphrates rivers. The translation of ancient cuneiform tablets in the 19th century confirmed the Mesopotamian flood myth as an antecedent of the Noah story in the Bible. In an interview with the London Telegraph, Irving Finkel, a curator at the British Museum and author of the recent book The Ark Before Noah: Decoding the Story of the Flood, described one way the tradition may have emerged:
There must have been a heritage memory of the destructive power of flood water, based on various terrible floods. And the people who survived would have been people in boats. You can imagine someone sunbathing in a canoe, half asleep, and waking up however long later and they’re in the middle of the Persian Gulf, and that’s the beginning of the flood story.
Yet tales of the Flood spring from many sources. Myriad ancient cultures have their own legends of watery cataclysm and salvation. According to Vedic lore, a fish tells the mythic Indian king Manu of a flood that will wipe out humanity; Manu then builds a ship to withstand the epic rains and is later led to a mountaintop by the same fish. An Aztec story sees a devout couple hide in the hollow of a vast tree with two ears of corn as divine storms drown the wicked of the land. Creation myths from Egypt to Scandinavia involve tidal floods of all sorts of substances — including the blood of deities — purging and remaking the earth.''
Maybe reading a textbook on biology and evolution could help, just a suggestion.
This is pretty humorous because the theories keep changing. A lot of schools are using textbooks with material that has been discounted by leading evolutionists, because by the time it prints and distributes an assumption of the theory has changed, but they will keep teaching it because that is in their textbook, and until new ones are obtained you need to keep teaching the outdated version because there is no other version available to the students. The evolution of the horse being a good example. Yup just go pick up a textbook and learn about Piltdown man and Lucy and the horses they rode.
Evolution has stood for one hundred and fifty years of challenges. You may be confused between the fact of evolution and the theory related to its mechanisms and means....some of which may be modified or dropped as new information emerges from research.
Something provides evidence for evolution when it demonstrates a change in characteristics from an ancestral form
Fossil Record
A fossil is the preserved remains or traces of any organism from the remote past
Fossil evidence may be either:
Direct (body fossils): Bones, teeth, shells, leaves, etc. Indirect (trace fossils): Footprints, tooth marks, tracks, burrows, etc.
Types of Fossils
The totality of fossils (both discovered and undiscovered) is known as the fossil record
The fossil record reveals that, over time, changes have occurred in features of organisms living on the planet (evolution) Moreover, different kinds of organisms do not occur randomly but are found in rocks of particular ages in a consistent order (law of fossil succession) This suggests that changes to an ancestral species was likely responsible for the appearance of subsequent species (speciation via evolution) Furthermore, the occurrence of transitional fossils demonstrate the intermediary forms that occurred over the evolutionary pathway taken within a single genus
Biogeography
Biogeography describes the distribution of lifeforms over geographical areas, both in past and present times
Biogeographical distribution supports the theory of evolution as it is found that closely related species are usually found in close physical proximity to one another, and that fossils from these regions resemble modern organisms
This suggests that these species share a common lineage (if speciation was random, distribution would be expected to be scattered)
Comparative Anatomy
A comparison of the anatomic features of different species provides further evidence of evolution
The presence of homologous structures and shared embryonic development between species indicates descent from common ancestors The presence of analogous structures and vestigial organs highlight the role of environmental influences in the process of natural selection
Homologous Structures
Homologous structures possess a similar underlying anatomy as a result of a shared evolutionary origin, but have evolved into a variety of distinct forms due to the presence of different selective pressures
Analogous Structures
Analogous structures are adaptations that possess similar features and functionality as a result of exposure to a common selective pressure, but have different underlying anatomies due to having unrelated evolutionary origins
Vestigial Organs
Some organisms show the presence of functionless and reduced remnants of organs that were once present and functional in their ancestors
Changes to the environment have rendered these organs redundant and so over time they have lost their functionality
Molecular Evidence
Molecular evidence involves identifying conservation in DNA and protein sequences as a basis for determining evolutionary relationships
Genesis is not an account of an actual world wide flood, it is a work of fiction....the ancients loved their stories, they loved a good yarn over the campfire. Stories got told and retold and embellished over time and retelling.
Folks have long woken up to the fact that the weird and wacky seamonsters that appear on medieval maps do not exist, in fact there were very rational sober mind wordly people at the time who didn't buy the BS.
yet today we still have people deeply entrenched in millennia old mythologies, like virgin births and world floods.
such mythologies are accepted as mythology in other cultures and religions, but christians take their versions of the same as the literal indisputable truth.
grown men captivated by children's stories designed for village idiots and simpletons.
-Bulletproof and Waterproof don't mean Idiotproof.
One has to ask where all the water to flood all of Urth went. Or where it came from for that matter. Might take a wee bit more than we find locked up in ice on Greenland and Antarctica. 29,000 ft of sea level rise. It's a teaspoon or three, ain't it?
You are truly smoking dope here. It was touted as fact for fifty years. Doctorate dissertations were written using it. Quit reading lies.
Bwahahahaha! It was presented to the scientific community in 1912.
"As early as 1913, David Waterston of King's College London published in Nature his conclusion that the sample consisted of an ape mandible and human skull. Likewise, French paleontologist Marcellin Boule concluded the same thing in 1915. A third opinion from the American zoologist Gerrit Smith Miller concluded that Piltdown's jaw came from a fossil ape. In 1923, Franz Weidenreich examined the remains and correctly reported that they consisted of a modern human cranium and an orangutan jaw with filed-down teeth."
- Wikipedia
In fact, no respectable museum of natural history would put it on display, based on the fact that the scientific community smelled a rat from the start.
Where in hell are you getting your information??
You are still smoking dope. It was not rejected until the 1950's when they did a (I think) chlorine test. It was then someone started taking a closer look. At that time they discovered there was about 1/2 a million years difference in age of skull and jaw bone.
"Only Christ is the fullness of God's revelation." Everyday Hunter
I recently watched a Nova presentation on the floods over the Scablands of Wa State. It seems Lake Missoula in Montana filled and broke the ice dam and drained multiple times during previous ice ages. The waters raced across N Id and Wa State leaving a miles wide path of destruction behind.
Core samples from just off shore show the various sediment layers deposited by various floods.
We know the Salt Lake Basin was once filled with water. My understanding is that it drained down the Snake River cutting the Snake River Canyon in just a matter of days.
Hell's Canyon was once dammed at the top near Farewell Bend Or. There are stories of a volcanic eruption which blocked the canyon, and of course periodic ice dams must have occurred. Thus Lake Bonneville was formed which at different times covered SW Idaho, SE Oregon, most of Utah, and a big hunk of Nevada.
Lots and lots of regional floods. But no, nothing which inundated the entire Earth.
It is interesting to me that the Chinese have written histories which go back 6000 years. Ancient oriental art depicts orientals as always having oriental eyes. Interesting to know how they had those eyes before the flood, and how descendants of Noah who later resettled in the orient also came to have oriental eyes.
You missed the correct interpretation of the sediments from many floods. They are sediments from One Flood produced as the tides caused currants in the flooded world. The Chinese came into being after the Flood. They are descendants of one of Noah's kids.
"Only Christ is the fullness of God's revelation." Everyday Hunter
Flood accounts do not equate to a worldwide deluge where even the mountains are submerged and an ark is needed to save a selection of people and animals in order to repopulate the earth......It did not happen, the story is impossible.
The story was probably embellished from a localized flood event/hero legend what a family saved their themselves and their livestock under difficult conditions, to the amazement of the surrounding tribes.
You are missing the whole point. Have you read these flood accounts? You claim Genesis is a borrow account and then you say the other accounts were simply local disasters. Well if Genesis was recorded as a worldwide flood that wiped out the whole race it certainly did not borrow from a local washout account. The other accounts are not recording local washouts either. Where did all these accounts come from all over the world? They could not have been borrowing all from each other unless they started with a single source about a singular worldwide event. Your contention is lacking the most basic logic.
Genesis is not an account of an actual world wide flood, it is a work of fiction....the ancients loved their stories, they loved a good yarn over the campfire. Stories got told and retold and embellished over time and retelling.
''Various archaeologists suggest there was a historical deluge between 5,000 and 7,000 years ago that hit lands ranging from the Black Sea to what many call the cradle of civilization, the flood plain between the Tigris and Euphrates rivers. The translation of ancient cuneiform tablets in the 19th century confirmed the Mesopotamian flood myth as an antecedent of the Noah story in the Bible. In an interview with the London Telegraph, Irving Finkel, a curator at the British Museum and author of the recent book The Ark Before Noah: Decoding the Story of the Flood, described one way the tradition may have emerged:
There must have been a heritage memory of the destructive power of flood water, based on various terrible floods. And the people who survived would have been people in boats. You can imagine someone sunbathing in a canoe, half asleep, and waking up however long later and they’re in the middle of the Persian Gulf, and that’s the beginning of the flood story.
Yet tales of the Flood spring from many sources. Myriad ancient cultures have their own legends of watery cataclysm and salvation. According to Vedic lore, a fish tells the mythic Indian king Manu of a flood that will wipe out humanity; Manu then builds a ship to withstand the epic rains and is later led to a mountaintop by the same fish. An Aztec story sees a devout couple hide in the hollow of a vast tree with two ears of corn as divine storms drown the wicked of the land. Creation myths from Egypt to Scandinavia involve tidal floods of all sorts of substances — including the blood of deities — purging and remaking the earth.''
You can continue in your chosen ignorance if you like. I read there are over 200 Flood legends from all over the world with a similar number of people and all the animals being saved by them. The stories generally have eight people.
"Only Christ is the fullness of God's revelation." Everyday Hunter
It was presented to the scientific community in 1912.
