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I am against any student debt write off. To declare this by executive action will be found to be unconstitutional.

Seems like politics to me. Any Federally guaranteed student loan is already forgiven for anyone with SSI disability (or death).

Disability is the most abused "safety net" program right now. Lots of folks "depressed" enough to draw SSI. It needs to be dealt with.

My nephew got out of the Air Force after a couple year stint and applied for every disability payment known to mankind. There wasn't a thing wrong with him.

Much of this crap is a total scam.

I'll gladly work and Pay taxes to payoff these loans

I take it that you didn't send EH-76 $20 to be part of the campfire good guy club aka Rifles for REMFS.

Yep........seems like everyone that was ever in the military has PTSD.........including the supply clerk.

About 1/2 of the civilian population seem to be afflicted with it as well.

yes, I agree completely.

However the civilian population doesn't get to collect $4,000 a month for their PTSD.

I doubt Wally the battery cage supply clerk has ever had to pry the charred remains of a couple of babies out of car crash or watch people die before the jaws of life could free them from a wreck like a fireman or rescue squad first responders.

The civilian population doesn't get to go buy a new truck, new four wheeler and new boat just because they heard an ammo dump being demo'd 6km away while they slurped soft serve ice cream in the Green Zone chow hall.

Forgiveness of student loans should be done as follows:

ALL universities and collages that have accepted tax monies from state of federal souses should be immediately required to deduct 94% of the pay from 100% of the faculty. From deans and collage presidents all the way down to janitors. This money should all to go to pay the debts of those they teach socialism to. Lead by example! The hypocrisy of the teachers wanting to get high pay while telling everyone else they need to accept low pay is below asinine. If they will be so dedicated to communism that they will continue to teach for 6% of their old pay I would say they are sincere enough to work for the approximate pay of those they are teaching and that would show the world how well they lead, and how dedicated they are to their socialistic life style.

The only schools that would not be subject to this 90% forced deduction would be those private schools that never used or asked for government aid in any form.

If most employees of those communist centers quit instead of agreeing to work for 6% the communist brain-washing centers (called collages) would go under.........and that's a perfectly OK too.

Oddly, the ones that teach the truth, the few conservative collages non-PC collages we have today, are VERY accepting of vets and especially disabled vets already. From the 90% deductions taken from the socialists, I would see no problem with paying for the education of disabled vets as long as they were paid directly ,and the conservative collages could then be paid the regular rate. Stand on individual responsibility. So if the cost of collage was $40,000 (as an example) that $40,000 is given to the VETS not to the collages so there is no bureaucratic middle man. If the vet uses the money for other purposes he doesn't have it for the collage then the collage (and the tax payers) owe him nothing more for that part of his life.

Is this political favoritism? Yup!
So why is that unfair when the socialist are trying to do the EXACT same thing, but forcing others to pay super high rates to fund international communism?

Schitt like running outta chocolate sprinkles at the KBR chowhall ice cream bar at the the Mosul airfeild is bad stuff....
Lmfao!!!

Jesus said the poor will be with us always. Seems He was also referring to the poorly behaving. He knew. We should too. They are all around us.

The student loan system via Sallie Mae and Navient has developed into one of the worst farces put together by your federal government and the higher education system.
It has enabled universities to raise tuition and fees at rates many times inflation. It is generating profitability way beyond reasonable.
At the same time making promises to our kids that will not be kept, Go ahead and borrow $100,000 to go to a no name state school and get that liberal arts degree. Been telling high schoolers for 50 years that we need teachers. Welcome to a career that pays about the same as a hamburger flipper at MCDonalds, $30-35,000. or..$15 per hour.
Desperately need a reality check before taking on debt, not after the fact. Society (that's us) has failed way to many of these kids with this "easy money."
I really got PO'ed when one of my grandsons had to get special dispensation to drop high school academics to work on a trade (welding).
The VA is overwhelmed with veterans that have less than 2 years service. Many were lousy human beings before, were lousy soldiers, and we are now supporting them for life.
Vets that have actually seen action, and/or been hurt, deserve these sort of breaks. If you have not experienced shots fired in anger, then you are unlikely to grasp the price they've paid.

MB, sorry I started a thread on this last night after your thread. Being preoccupied with other activities I just now noticed it.

College was not previously free for 100 percent permanently and totally vets prior to this move by Trump. Vets that are 100 p&t were entitled to a 1200 a month stipend to go to college and they could use it as they saw fit- to pay , room and board , etc. Not many people can get a college degree on 1200 a month, so vets ended up having school loans like everyone else.

Amen brother.

Just because there’s those that abuse the VA disability system doesn’t mean that everyone does. It also doesn’t mean that those that have made huge sacrifices for our country should suffer because there’s abuse. Fix the broken system instead of punishing those that are legitimately disabled because of their service.

I would still rather pay the student loan debt of our service men and women than reloading EBT cards for some lazy ghetto rat.

If you know how to use the system you get in. If you don't and really need help you're out. There is a high percentage of C-130 maintainers and air crew members that got or will get prostate cancer. Then there's equipment that wasn't decontaminated after it was brought back from SEA with agent orange all through it. I had prostate cancer in 2010. The VA told me I made too much money. There were two guys at work with a VA disability from wrecking while drunk. They were the "can't touch me I'm a 10 point vet" types. Combat disabled vets? Never said it once. One of the turds was asked why he didn't have a purple heart license plate and he said I don't qualify and shut up.

but almost everyone at the VA system thinks every disabled vet is out to milk the system, at least in my experience. I have a spine injury that was wrote off as a sprain, then DJD then the equivalent of sore muscles, and for 11 years was told by the VA that everything looks normal on my Xrays and scans. I appealed my BS rating and the nurse that gave the exam accused me of malingering. they send me to a pain mgt doc for a hernia nerve block shot, so I mention my back to him. he immediately says, wow you must be in a lot of pain, when did this happen? I told him 2006. he identified 2 herniated discs and what looked like a fracture. I mention it to my VA doc and he says "oh, umm yeah about that, we can get you in to get a shot for that too." shot wore off in 5 weeks and have more pain now than before. VA still refuses to do [bleep]. I signed up with the DAV, and they are silent, they just wanted another to add to their roles to show they were "helping vets" mean time I'm still in pain, nerve issues and temporary paralysis, etc. and the VA doesn't give 2 [bleep]. fuggem all.

Colorado, I’m sorry to hear about your troubles with the VA, you’re unfortunately not alone. I know that the VA needs a complete dismantling and replacement, it’s a broken and abused system that often neglects those that are most in need while being scammed and played like a fiddle by those so disposed to getting something for nothing.

Those that have served our country in uniform should get the benefit of the doubt. Every veteran should get the care they need. There’s so much fraud and waste in government agencies that I’d rather side with the veteran until proven otherwise, they’ve at least done something to qualify for VA benefits whereas some welfare queen in the ghetto never did anything to better this country.

I hope you get the care you need and that we hear less and less about situations like yours. I don’t know why we even have a VA system. Let our veterans see any doctor and reimburse at Medicare rates.....or something similar. The VA hospitals are notorious for their bloated incompetence. Our veterans should come first.

Vets that were rated 100% Permanent and Total have been able to have loan forgiveness for several years now. What Trump did as already mentioned was streamlined the process. I guess he got tired of waiting on Congress to do it, as back in May I believe they were working on this and it looked like it had promise to pass both the House and Senate.

That being said, I started my VA disability process 2.5 weeks ago today. Whether I get 0% or 100%, I'd gladly given up any monetary amount to be pain free again, and live a life as I once did. I was the guy that sucked it up and went on, My last few years after re-injuring my back, I made sure I started getting crap documented. The first 6 years of my medical records are missing thanks to a hurricane, but 2015 to 2018, made up for that. For the vets that need the help, I hope they get it. While I agree some do milk it for everything there is, there are others that will never get all the help they need for their injuries.

Never mind. Contrarian thoughts that would likely be unappreciated.