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Originally Posted by BALLISTIK
Question for the unthinking majority, how come we didn't have rampant pitbull maulings 30 years ago, 40 years ago, 50 years ago....100 years ago? What has changed since then?

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One of the things we didn't have 40 years ago was dumb fuggs asking stupid questions. 40 years ago we had at best 1% of the pit bulls we have now.. We didn't have 1% of the pit bulls back then because even in urban/semi urban areas people shot dogs that bit people pronto even in areas with ordinances prohibiting firearms discharge because it was a matter of imminent public safety and not prosecuted. That was how biting dogs were dealt with.

We have tolerated something we should never have tolerated. It is that simple. The dogs have always been unreasonably dangerous, we have just allowed idiots like TRH to argue that it's the owners and not the dogs. If it was the fugging owners attacking a person (or child) like that, They might get shot in the process of stopping the attack with no charges for th shooter. That is still more or less universal in this country contrary to stopping a dog attack with a gun.

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The druggies and dealers can't legally own a gun so a 4 legged killing machine is the next best thing.

The average Joe is just as bad. I got bit last September on the hand and the elderly Hispanic owner physically threatened me after the fact. No sorry, no nothing. Maricopa County Animal Control and the City of Phoenix took him to court with my blessing. It took them till December 26 to find him guilty of vicious dog, uncontrolled dog and dog without tags. He got a $310 fine and 3 years probation. Feliz Navidad , puto !

. We have renters next door who owned a pit that bit 3 people over the course of a year. Didn't come in my yard because he was informed that his house would be burned to the ground with him and the dog in it. A lot of people have weaponized man's best friend either out of ignorance or intentionally. Just another valid reason to carry a serious social pistol.



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If your dog bites a carrier the USPS normally goes for restitution for the hospital/emergency room costs and lost time of the employee.


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Originally Posted by Oldelkhunter


They are the rescue dog of preference for inner city hipsters and I see as many whites as blacks that walk them.


Yup, here too. Ignorant, generally liberal females who think they know better, and are smarter than everyone else. That and trash. Same everywhere probably.


There are rescues devoted to them, should be crematoriums.


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Originally Posted by stevelyn
The dog breed of peace......


I hadn’t thought about that. Pit bull= Jihadist.

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Pits were very few 40 years ago and the people that owned new they were bad dogs back then. Now they are just pets.

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Really? Please provide relevant statistics or facts to back up your assertions you make.

Here are facts that should change your mind:

Are pit bulls naturally aggressive?
According to the American Temperament Test Society, pit bulls have a temperament passing rate of 86.7%. This is lower than dogs such as the beagle, Border collie, and Chihuahua. A lack of discipline or training could make any dog, including the pit bull, dangerous, though.

What is the number one reason pit bulls bite?
Just like any other breed, pit bulls that bite do so out of lack of training and socialization. This is more of an owner error than a dangerous dog issue. In fact, according to the American Veterinary Medical Association, it is not within a pit bull's inherent characteristics to bite humans.

What is the top breed regarding aggression towards humans?
This may shock you, but dachshunds and Chihuahuas exhibit the largest amount of aggression towards humans. This includes both strangers and the dog's owner. Pit bull terriers are more known for aggression towards unknown dogs than humans.

https://www.creditdonkey.com/pitbull-statistics.html

One other interesting fact:

Frequency distributions revealed that 100% of the owners of High Risk dogs had either one criminal conviction or traffic citation. Furthermore, 30% of the High Risk Cited dog owners had at least 5 criminal convictions or traffic citations \.

https://www.dogsbite.org/pdf/2006-ownership-high-risk-dogs-marker-deviant-behavior.pdf


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One of the things we didn't have 40 years ago was dumb fuggs asking stupid questions. 40 years ago we had at best 1% of the pit bulls we have now.. We didn't have 1% of the pit bulls back then because even in urban/semi urban areas people shot dogs that bit people pronto even in areas with ordinances prohibiting firearms discharge because it was a matter of imminent public safety and not prosecuted. That was how biting dogs were dealt with.

We have tolerated something we should never have tolerated. It is that simple. The dogs have always been unreasonably dangerous, we have just allowed idiots like TRH to argue that it's the owners and not the dogs. If it was the fugging owners attacking a person (or child) like that, They might get shot in the process of stopping the attack with no charges for th shooter. That is still more or less universal in this country contrary to stopping a dog attack with a gun.[/quote]

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Originally Posted by Marley7x57
Really? Please provide relevant statistics or facts to back up your assertions you make.

Here are facts that should change your mind:

Are pit bulls naturally aggressive?
According to the American Temperament Test Society, pit bulls have a temperament passing rate of 86.7%. This is lower than dogs such as the beagle, Border collie, and Chihuahua. A lack of discipline or training could make any dog, including the pit bull, dangerous, though.

What is the number one reason pit bulls bite?
Just like any other breed, pit bulls that bite do so out of lack of training and socialization. This is more of an owner error than a dangerous dog issue. In fact, according to the American Veterinary Medical Association, it is not within a pit bull's inherent characteristics to bite humans.

What is the top breed regarding aggression towards humans?
This may shock you, but dachshunds and Chihuahuas exhibit the largest amount of aggression towards humans. This includes both strangers and the dog's owner. Pit bull terriers are more known for aggression towards unknown dogs than humans.

https://www.creditdonkey.com/pitbull-statistics.html

One other interesting fact:

Frequency distributions revealed that 100% of the owners of High Risk dogs had either one criminal conviction or traffic citation. Furthermore, 30% of the High Risk Cited dog owners had at least 5 criminal convictions or traffic citations \.

https://www.dogsbite.org/pdf/2006-ownership-high-risk-dogs-marker-deviant-behavior.pdf


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Originally Posted by Marley7x57
Really? Please provide relevant statistics or facts to back up your assertions you make.

Here are facts that should change your mind:

Are pit bulls naturally aggressive?
According to the American Temperament Test Society, pit bulls have a temperament passing rate of 86.7%. This is lower than dogs such as the beagle, Border collie, and Chihuahua. A lack of discipline or training could make any dog, including the pit bull, dangerous, though.

What is the number one reason pit bulls bite?
Just like any other breed, pit bulls that bite do so out of lack of training and socialization. This is more of an owner error than a dangerous dog issue. In fact, according to the American Veterinary Medical Association, it is not within a pit bull's inherent characteristics to bite humans.

What is the top breed regarding aggression towards humans?
This may shock you, but dachshunds and Chihuahuas exhibit the largest amount of aggression towards humans. This includes both strangers and the dog's owner. Pit bull terriers are more known for aggression towards unknown dogs than humans.

https://www.creditdonkey.com/pitbull-statistics.html

One other interesting fact:

Frequency distributions revealed that 100% of the owners of High Risk dogs had either one criminal conviction or traffic citation. Furthermore, 30% of the High Risk Cited dog owners had at least 5 criminal convictions or traffic citations \.

https://www.dogsbite.org/pdf/2006-ownership-high-risk-dogs-marker-deviant-behavior.pdf


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Really cool presentation...now explain why it is the pits that are killing/maiming people.


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Must be time for TRH to chime in with a wonderful anecdote about suckydick and fluffypants.


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Do not own any dogs at the moment. Never did own a pit bull either. Been around them a lot though and none of them bit anybody, however, if a stray dog came around the fight was on.


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Originally Posted by Marley7x57
Really? Please provide relevant statistics or facts to back up your assertions you make.

Here are facts that should change your mind:

Are pit bulls naturally aggressive?
According to the American Temperament Test Society, pit bulls have a temperament passing rate of 86.7%. This is lower than dogs such as the beagle, Border collie, and Chihuahua. A lack of discipline or training could make any dog, including the pit bull, dangerous, though.

What is the number one reason pit bulls bite?
Just like any other breed, pit bulls that bite do so out of lack of training and socialization. This is more of an owner error than a dangerous dog issue. In fact, according to the American Veterinary Medical Association, it is not within a pit bull's inherent characteristics to bite humans.

What is the top breed regarding aggression towards humans?
This may shock you, but dachshunds and Chihuahuas exhibit the largest amount of aggression towards humans. This includes both strangers and the dog's owner. Pit bull terriers are more known for aggression towards unknown dogs than humans.

https://www.creditdonkey.com/pitbull-statistics.html

One other interesting fact:

Frequency distributions revealed that 100% of the owners of High Risk dogs had either one criminal conviction or traffic citation. Furthermore, 30% of the High Risk Cited dog owners had at least 5 criminal convictions or traffic citations \.

https://www.dogsbite.org/pdf/2006-ownership-high-risk-dogs-marker-deviant-behavior.pdf


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How come I hit ignore on Marley7x57 and he still shows on this page? I have a low tolerance for this after 23 years of corrections. I would like to have some peace from people who are stupid in a NO STUPID ZONE. What is up?Is he SPECIAL? Is his name ED??? Rusty


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Originally Posted by Marley7x57
Do not own any dogs at the moment. Never did own a pit bull either. Been around them a lot though and none of them bit anybody, however, if a stray dog came around the fight was on.


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Fair enough.

"the fight was on" eh? You win any money on those fights?


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Well, you must be special as all I did was post some factual information and you have become "pit bullish" by attacking me.

As others have asked me I will ask you: how many pit bulls do you own and why why it is the pits that are killing/maiming people? See if you can provide a coherent response with applicable data/facts to support it. OR, you could continue to pull [bleep] out your ass like usual.

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How come I hit ignore on Marley7x57 and he still shows on this page? I have a low tolerance for stupid after 23 years of corrections. I would like to have some peace from people who are stupid in a NO STUPID ZONE. What is up?Is he SPECIAL? Is his name ED??? Rusty

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A well socialized dog of any breed besides pits won’t try and kill a random stray dog.

Bred to kill other animals. That simple.everyone one is a walking time bomb. Only idiots would believe otherwise.


Originally Posted by Marley7x57
Do not own any dogs at the moment. Never did own a pit bull either. Been around them a lot though and none of them bit anybody, however, if a stray dog came around the fight was on.


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Originally Posted by Marley7x57
Really? Please provide relevant statistics or facts to back up your assertions you make.

Here are facts that should change your mind:

Are pit bulls naturally aggressive?
According to the American Temperament Test Society, pit bulls have a temperament passing rate of 86.7%. This is lower than dogs such as the beagle, Border collie, and Chihuahua. A lack of discipline or training could make any dog, including the pit bull, dangerous, though.

What is the number one reason pit bulls bite?
Just like any other breed, pit bulls that bite do so out of lack of training and socialization. This is more of an owner error than a dangerous dog issue. In fact, according to the American Veterinary Medical Association, it is not within a pit bull's inherent characteristics to bite humans.

What is the top breed regarding aggression towards humans?
This may shock you, but dachshunds and Chihuahuas exhibit the largest amount of aggression towards humans. This includes both strangers and the dog's owner. Pit bull terriers are more known for aggression towards unknown dogs than humans.

https://www.creditdonkey.com/pitbull-statistics.html

One other interesting fact:

Frequency distributions revealed that 100% of the owners of High Risk dogs had either one criminal conviction or traffic citation. Furthermore, 30% of the High Risk Cited dog owners had at least 5 criminal convictions or traffic citations \.

https://www.dogsbite.org/pdf/2006-ownership-high-risk-dogs-marker-deviant-behavior.pdf


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Here's the link to the first stats page for the American Temperament Test Society.

They tested a total of 931 pitbulls.

https://atts.org/breed-statistics/statistics-page1/




Description of the test. There is a video of a dog being tested too.

https://atts.org/tt-test-description/

Personally I have no use for pitbulls.

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Position Statement on Pit Bulls https://www.aspca.org/about-us/aspca-policy-and-position-statements/position-statement-pit-bulls

Dog breeds are characterized by certain physical and behavioral traits. Each breed was developed to perform a specific job, whether that job is hunting rabbits, retrieving downed birds, herding livestock or sitting on people’s laps. When developing a breed, breeders selected only those dogs that performed their job best to produce the next generation.

Physical abilities and behavior are both important facets of any breed. A well-bred dog should have both the physical attributes necessary to perform its job and the behavioral tendencies needed to learn it. It’s not surprising that individuals of a specific breed tend to look and behave somewhat similarly. Pointers are more likely than Poodles to point, and sheepdogs are more likely than lapdogs to herd. However, while a dog’s genetics may predispose it to perform certain behaviors, tremendous behavioral variation exists among individuals of the same breed or breed type. It’s also important to note that some dog breeds are now bred for entirely different jobs than those for which they were originally developed. For example, certain strains of Golden Retrievers are now being bred as service dogs, a far cry from their original job of retrieving downed birds.

Today’s pit bull is a descendant of the original English bull-baiting dog—a dog that was bred to bite and hold bulls, bears and other large animals around the face and head. When baiting large animals was outlawed in the 1800s, people turned instead to fighting their dogs against each other. These larger, slower bull-baiting dogs were crossed with smaller, quicker terriers to produce a more agile and athletic dog for fighting other dogs.

Some pit bulls were selected and bred for their fighting ability. That means that they may be more likely than other breeds to fight with dogs. It doesn’t mean that they can’t be around other dogs or that they’re unpredictably aggressive. Other pit bulls were specifically bred for work and companionship. These dogs have long been popular family pets, noted for their gentleness, affection and loyalty. And even those pit bulls bred to fight other animals were not prone to aggressiveness toward people. Dogs used for fighting needed to be routinely handled by people; therefore aggression toward people was not tolerated. Any dog that behaved aggressively toward a person was culled, or killed, to avoid passing on such an undesirable trait. Research on pet dogs confirms that dog aggressive dogs are no more likely to direct aggression toward people than dogs that aren’t aggressive to other dogs.

It is likely that that the vast majority of pit bull type dogs in our communities today are the result of random breeding—two dogs being mated without regard to the behavioral traits being passed on to their offspring. The result of random breeding is a population of dogs with a wide range of behavioral predispositions. For this reason it is important to evaluate and treat each dog, no matter its breed, as an individual.









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A well socialized dog of any breed besides pits won’t try and kill a random stray dog.

Bred to kill other animals. That simple.everyone one is a walking time bomb. Only idiots would believe otherwise.


Originally Posted by Marley7x57
Do not own any dogs at the moment. Never did own a pit bull either. Been around them a lot though and none of them bit anybody, however, if a stray dog came around the fight was on.


Originally Posted by BillyGoatGruff
Originally Posted by Marley7x57
Really? Please provide relevant statistics or facts to back up your assertions you make.

Here are facts that should change your mind:

Are pit bulls naturally aggressive?
According to the American Temperament Test Society, pit bulls have a temperament passing rate of 86.7%. This is lower than dogs such as the beagle, Border collie, and Chihuahua. A lack of discipline or training could make any dog, including the pit bull, dangerous, though.

What is the number one reason pit bulls bite?
Just like any other breed, pit bulls that bite do so out of lack of training and socialization. This is more of an owner error than a dangerous dog issue. In fact, according to the American Veterinary Medical Association, it is not within a pit bull's inherent characteristics to bite humans.

What is the top breed regarding aggression towards humans?
This may shock you, but dachshunds and Chihuahuas exhibit the largest amount of aggression towards humans. This includes both strangers and the dog's owner. Pit bull terriers are more known for aggression towards unknown dogs than humans.

https://www.creditdonkey.com/pitbull-statistics.html

One other interesting fact:

Frequency distributions revealed that 100% of the owners of High Risk dogs had either one criminal conviction or traffic citation. Furthermore, 30% of the High Risk Cited dog owners had at least 5 criminal convictions or traffic citations \.

https://www.dogsbite.org/pdf/2006-ownership-high-risk-dogs-marker-deviant-behavior.pdf


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