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he may have learned some of his trade from the oracle at delphi. the priestess who was often filled with god (apollo?), was probably breathing in a little too much fumes from the underground cauldron? but at any rate, all those old timers had their following.
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Now we have Radicalized Evolutionists???? Now thats funny.
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As the story goes, Yawheh being described in the bible as being the creator of both good and evil, set Adam up to fail. That Last Book of the Bible, Revelation teaches Jesus was crucified from the foundation of the world. It was the plan all along. That gives folks like you a chance to accept His Gift of His Son or scoff. It's your choice.
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The claim of special creation, the whole unimaginably vast universe created by some kind of supernatural being who is invisible and non detectable is a claim of magical creation....that the whole shebang supposedly fully formed on the command of this entity is an act of magic.
Especially when the evidence does not support the claim....we can see new stars forming out of clouds of gas, old stars at the end of their lives.....seeing objects and events billions of years back in time due to the speed of light and astronomical distances. Back to, "I'm the center of the universe" type of thought. Because you have not recognized any experience with God does not eliminate other's experience with God. You obviously don't understand gas mechanics. The gas pressure to prevent the formation of stars is at least fifty times stronger than the gravitational pull on that same gas. By the way, after the Big Bang how did the individual gas molecules overcome the equilateral dispersion momentum to even make a "gas cloud"? Try reading a basic textbook on astrophysics instead of creationist propaganda, just a friendly suggestion. Perhaps you should do a little more study. How long do you think it takes for a star to form from a gas could? A year? A century? A millennium? A million years? Theoretically it take too long to be observed.
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As the story goes, Yawheh being described in the bible as being the creator of both good and evil, set Adam up to fail. That Last Book of the Bible, Revelation teaches Jesus was crucified from the foundation of the world. It was the plan all along. That gives folks like you a chance to accept His Gift of His Son or scoff. It's your choice. Not that simple. As the story goes, the crisis was engineered by God, Not by Adam, not by Eve, nor by the cunning beast, the Serpent...all who were punished for something that God Himself was fully responsible for, and not two naive humans who had no understanding of good and evil until after they had eaten from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.
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The claim of special creation, the whole unimaginably vast universe created by some kind of supernatural being who is invisible and non detectable is a claim of magical creation....that the whole shebang supposedly fully formed on the command of this entity is an act of magic.
Especially when the evidence does not support the claim....we can see new stars forming out of clouds of gas, old stars at the end of their lives.....seeing objects and events billions of years back in time due to the speed of light and astronomical distances. Back to, "I'm the center of the universe" type of thought. Because you have not recognized any experience with God does not eliminate other's experience with God. You obviously don't understand gas mechanics. The gas pressure to prevent the formation of stars is at least fifty times stronger than the gravitational pull on that same gas. By the way, after the Big Bang how did the individual gas molecules overcome the equilateral dispersion momentum to even make a "gas cloud"? Try reading a basic textbook on astrophysics instead of creationist propaganda, just a friendly suggestion. Perhaps you should do a little more study. How long do you think it takes for a star to form from a gas could? A year? A century? A millennium? A million years? Theoretically it take too long to be observed. There are stars to be observed in every state of their lives, young stars in the early stages or formation, old stars that have expanded into red giants, nova, supernova, etc.....read up on astronomy, not what they peddle on creation sites.
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The claim of special creation, the whole unimaginably vast universe created by some kind of supernatural being who is invisible and non detectable is a claim of magical creation....that the whole shebang supposedly fully formed on the command of this entity is an act of magic.
Especially when the evidence does not support the claim....we can see new stars forming out of clouds of gas, old stars at the end of their lives.....seeing objects and events billions of years back in time due to the speed of light and astronomical distances. Back to, "I'm the center of the universe" type of thought. Because you have not recognized any experience with God does not eliminate other's experience with God. You obviously don't understand gas mechanics. The gas pressure to prevent the formation of stars is at least fifty times stronger than the gravitational pull on that same gas. By the way, after the Big Bang how did the individual gas molecules overcome the equilateral dispersion momentum to even make a "gas cloud"? Try reading a basic textbook on astrophysics instead of creationist propaganda, just a friendly suggestion. Perhaps you should do a little more study. How long do you think it takes for a star to form from a gas could? A year? A century? A millennium? A million years? Theoretically it take too long to be observed. There are stars to be observed in every state of their lives, young stars in the early stages or formation, old stars that have expanded into red giants, nova, supernova, etc.....read up on astronomy, not what they peddle on creation sites. And exactly how do you know these stars are in these stages since it takes too long for humans to see what they are doing? For the sake of argument let me ask you something. If there waz an Infinite Intelligent Energy Being could He create a universe like what we see in the various states we see them?
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The state and condition a star is observed to be in tells you what stage of life they are in, a red giant for example is a star that has used most of its hydrogen and has expanded to a more diffuse state, cooler surface, etc. Google 'young star formation regions' to get pictures and information on stars forming withn clouds of hydrogen.
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The state and condition a star is observed to be in tells you what stage of life they are in, a red giant for example is a star that has used most of its hydrogen and has expanded to a more diffuse state, cooler surface, etc. Google 'young star formation regions' to get pictures and information on stars forming withn clouds of hydrogen. So you don't know.
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The state and condition a star is observed to be in tells you what stage of life they are in, a red giant for example is a star that has used most of its hydrogen and has expanded to a more diffuse state, cooler surface, etc. Google 'young star formation regions' to get pictures and information on stars forming withn clouds of hydrogen. So you don't know. I happen to know, I even do a bit of amateur astronomy, star gazing using a Maksitov reflector, the problem is that you are not willing to consider what I say or what I explain. That's why you should educate yourself by looking at the evidence of star formation for yourself. Not just telescope pictures of star nurseries and star formation but the physics driving star formation, the nuclear process, fusion, hydrogen to helium, etc, by which stars go through the stages of their lifecycles and how this is observed by astronomers and astrophysicists.
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With the universe being about 6,000 years old there;s not much time to play with. God added in stars that appear to be of different ages just to fool you infidels.
The key elements in human thinking are not numbers but labels of fuzzy sets. -- L. Zadeh
Which explains a lot.
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With the universe being about 6,000 years old there;s not much time to play with. God added in stars that appear to be of different ages just to fool you infidels. Eggzackly. Or maybe....
"I can't be canceled, because, I don't give a fuuck!" --- Kid Rock 2022
Holocaust Deniers, the ultimate perverted dipchits: Bristoe, TheRealHawkeye, stophel, Ghostinthemachine, anyone else?
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Not that simple. As the story goes, the crisis was engineered by God, Not by Adam, not by Eve, nor by the cunning beast, the Serpent... ..all who were punished for something that God Himself was fully responsible for, and not two naive humans who had no understanding of good and evil until after they had eaten from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.
not only that....but Adam & Eve did strive to reach the Tree of Life in Eden , but the Lord had it guarded by cherubim with flaming sword, denying them access..., the love was gone, instead he kicked their asses like a can down the road. A death sentence for one innocent mistake.
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With the universe being about 6,000 years old there;s not much time to play with. God added in stars that appear to be of different ages just to fool you infidels. He was a clever devil...
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SOMEBODY please tell TRH that Netanyahu NEVER said "Once we squeeze all we can out of the United States, it can dry up and blow away."
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With the universe being about 6,000 years old there;s not much time to play with. God added in stars that appear to be of different ages just to fool you infidels. He was a clever devil... speaking of clever, what about a devout and dedicated story teller weaving satan into the god story. let god take credit for all the good things that occur. and slyly give satan the blame for all bad things that occurs. that gives god a free walk, with satan being responsible for the god-awful things. clever, huh? never doubt the ability of a good story teller to spin the tale to his group's perceived advantage.
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Why do educated people believe the evidence of evolution and uneducated people believe pre-literate myths that have been proven not to be true?
Being uneducated should not be a requirement for being a Christian.
Talking snakes, 6000 year old universes, worldwide floods? None of this has anything to do with the message of Jesus. Or with reality.
Not to mention Ringman's feeble attempts to explain gas pressure vs. gravity. While those who believe this drivel are sincere, they are more to be pitied than censured.
Don't blame me. I voted for Trump.
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With the universe being about 6,000 years old there;s not much time to play with. God added in stars that appear to be of different ages just to fool you infidels. He was a clever devil... speaking of clever, what about a devout and dedicated story teller weaving satan into the god story. let god take credit for all the good things that occur. and slyly give satan the blame for all bad things that occurs. that gives god a free walk, with satan being responsible for the god-awful things. clever, huh? never doubt the ability of a good story teller to spin the tale to his group's perceived advantage. Yes, the Zoroastrian's were very cleaver. Obviously the Jews thought the same, which is why the ripped off the concept and added it to their set of fables.
You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it.
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Why do educated people believe the evidence of evolution and uneducated people believe pre-literate myths that have been proven not to be true?
Being uneducated should not be a requirement for being a Christian.
Talking snakes, 6000 year old universes, worldwide floods? None of this has anything to do with the message of Jesus. Or with reality.
Not to mention Ringman's feeble attempts to explain gas pressure vs. gravity. While those who believe this drivel are sincere, they are more to be pitied than censured. Real science is hard. Calculus, linear algebra, differential equations etc., it's no wonder folks like Ringman give up and go with "Magic" as their answer.
You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it.
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Takes the same degree of faith to believe the parables and prophecies put forth in various theological texts, as it does to believe the parables and prophecies put forth in support of the theory of evolution.
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Takes the same degree of faith to believe the parables and prophecies put forth in various theological texts, as it does to believe the parables and prophecies put forth in support of the theory of evolution.
Nope. We have the fossils and the DNA. In other words, we have evidence is support of the theory of evolution by natural selection, so no faith required.
You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it.
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