|
Joined: May 2004
Posts: 2,676
Campfire Regular
|
Campfire Regular
Joined: May 2004
Posts: 2,676 |
Only way a diesel will pay for itself is if you work it hard and a lot (all the time). Then you'd better hope the rest of the truck can keep pace with the motor, and that the motor is a good one. Regular maintenance costs are much higher so it is not just the original diesel motor upcharge that you pay for. Had a decent late 90s 7.3 powerstroke that I ran to about 225K (miles). Probably only towed/packed weight 10-15% of the time, and only about 5500 lbs. Diesel was cheaper then, no DEF, etc. but in the end the trans was going so it got sold off before I dug a bigger hole with repairs. New gas half ton fills the role nicely and is much nicer/easier to drive, though it doesn't carry the same load (neither do I any more!).
|
|
|
|
Joined: May 2016
Posts: 60,551 Likes: 22
Campfire Kahuna
|
Campfire Kahuna
Joined: May 2016
Posts: 60,551 Likes: 22 |
Redneck posts up some good numbers.
For the long distance leisure crowd, hotshot drivers, and maybe local guys who do some heavier hauling over longer distances, a diesel makes more sense.
If you go by fuel costs alone, it takes a really long time to pay off a diesel engine. Longer than you might think.
I see these never diesles as sort of a "luxury tax". The option is expensive, the maintenence is higher, DEF is lame,....but when you want the power you have it.
With a big gas engine option, you dont have to pay the high upfront Luxury tax, but still have a powerful engine.
We have three diesel pickups on the farm. I like them too, but for daily "in the trenches" work.....I dont care for them like I did.
I am MAGA.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jun 2004
Posts: 44,863 Likes: 4
Campfire 'Bwana
|
Campfire 'Bwana
Joined: Jun 2004
Posts: 44,863 Likes: 4 |
My traveling pickup is a 2002 GMC with the 8.1 liter Vortec.
It has the Allison.
Even after I ruined it with too big of a camshaft.......its still a pleasure to drive. What did you stick in there?
|
|
|
|
Joined: May 2016
Posts: 60,551 Likes: 22
Campfire Kahuna
|
Campfire Kahuna
Joined: May 2016
Posts: 60,551 Likes: 22 |
My traveling pickup is a 2002 GMC with the 8.1 liter Vortec.
It has the Allison.
Even after I ruined it with too big of a camshaft.......its still a pleasure to drive. What did you stick in there? The stock cam wiped a lobe off so I installed a Raylar 203 cam. Did the Raylar roller rockers too. Should have went with the 202..........but never would have anyway.
I am MAGA.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Feb 2013
Posts: 21,807 Likes: 8
Campfire Ranger
|
Campfire Ranger
Joined: Feb 2013
Posts: 21,807 Likes: 8 |
IF... in 2003 when The EPA dropped the hammer on all diesels and ended the 7.3l Ford... Ford management had done the right thing and said "Sorry fellas, we got caught cold and have not yet finished debugging our 6.0l, PLEASE BEAR WITH US, we are working 24/7/365 to get it right." I would still drive Fords.
If you are not actively engaging EVERY enemy you encounter... you are allowing another to fight for you... and that is cowardice... plain and simple.
|
|
|
|
Joined: May 2016
Posts: 60,551 Likes: 22
Campfire Kahuna
|
Campfire Kahuna
Joined: May 2016
Posts: 60,551 Likes: 22 |
I would post up the cam card....but it was so faded it was almost useless.
Also, I swore, legally swore never to post it anywhere.......
I am MAGA.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Feb 2004
Posts: 46,745
Campfire 'Bwana
|
Campfire 'Bwana
Joined: Feb 2004
Posts: 46,745 |
I would think....with it properly set up...the 10 speed would feel a lot like a really well modulated powershift.
Doubt you would feel it hunting much.
I think you're right Jim.
Camp is where you make it.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jun 2004
Posts: 44,863 Likes: 4
Campfire 'Bwana
|
Campfire 'Bwana
Joined: Jun 2004
Posts: 44,863 Likes: 4 |
I can't find where they spec their cams other than the brief verbal descriptions.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jun 2004
Posts: 44,863 Likes: 4
Campfire 'Bwana
|
Campfire 'Bwana
Joined: Jun 2004
Posts: 44,863 Likes: 4 |
I would post up the cam card....but it was so faded it was almost useless.
Also, I swore, legally swore never to post it anywhere....... They made you sign a non-disclosure agreement?
|
|
|
|
Joined: May 2016
Posts: 60,551 Likes: 22
Campfire Kahuna
|
Campfire Kahuna
Joined: May 2016
Posts: 60,551 Likes: 22 |
I can't find where they spec their cams other than the brief verbal descriptions.
Yeah, they are a bit cagey. I called and talked to the owner a couple times. Kinda told him about the Comp Cams specs....and we decided on a Raylar. Honestly, I cant remember if I did the 202 or the 203. The idle sucks......potato potato potato....... Vaccuum is shot to hell, MAP thinks we are WOT all the time I am sure. The fuel system is OPEN at all times. I have really confused the hell out of the old computer..... She goes like hell above 2000!
I am MAGA.
|
|
|
|
Joined: May 2016
Posts: 60,551 Likes: 22
Campfire Kahuna
|
Campfire Kahuna
Joined: May 2016
Posts: 60,551 Likes: 22 |
I would post up the cam card....but it was so faded it was almost useless.
Also, I swore, legally swore never to post it anywhere....... They made you sign a non-disclosure agreement? No.....scouts honor type of thing. I am confused now. I have to find the box.....and the card to remember what I bought. Will see if I can get you some numbers later.
I am MAGA.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Oct 2004
Posts: 1,352
Campfire Regular
|
Campfire Regular
Joined: Oct 2004
Posts: 1,352 |
I had a F-250 with the 7.3 powerstroke, don't recall he year? 2000 or 2001? I have owned three since, all GM trucks. I get the family discount so this was why I bought the GM's. My Ford was my hunting and fishing vehicle. I sold it after 6 years with only 80,000 miles on it. I wish I would of kept it, best truck I have ever had. Pulled a 29 ft fifth wheeler and a 19 ft boat down the road like I was not even there.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Aug 2006
Posts: 20,554
Campfire Ranger
|
Campfire Ranger
Joined: Aug 2006
Posts: 20,554 |
I had a 97 F250 with the 460 in it, it was a great tow rig if you didn't mind the crappy gas mileage but honestly, it never got much above 12 mpg even unloaded. I miss that truck and would have kept it if it would have had the crew cab.
That's ok, I'll ass shoot a dink.
Steelhead
|
|
|
|
Joined: Aug 2004
Posts: 69,673 Likes: 21
Campfire Kahuna
|
Campfire Kahuna
Joined: Aug 2004
Posts: 69,673 Likes: 21 |
IF... in 2003 when The EPA dropped the hammer on all diesels and ended the 7.3l Ford... Ford management had done the right thing and said "Sorry fellas, we got caught cold and have not yet finished debugging our 6.0l, PLEASE BEAR WITH US, we are working 24/7/365 to get it right." I would still drive Fords.
LOL... Remeber that Chevy converted 350 to diesel engine... The LF9...?
Molɔ̀ːn Labé Skýla!
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 23,555 Likes: 1
Campfire Ranger
|
Campfire Ranger
Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 23,555 Likes: 1 |
I'd give them about 4 years to work out the kinks
like spitting spark plugs and oil sludge Spitting spark plugs is from 20 years ago. I have 194k on my 2000. Pulled my trailer from SoCal to Denver area and my plugs are all where they are supposed to be. Changed them out just because before we left too. Oil sludge is poor maintenance not an inherent design flaw. my point was more along the lines of it should have never happened to begin with
have you paid your dues, can you moan the blues, can you bend them guitar strings
|
|
|
|
Joined: Dec 2007
Posts: 25,107
Campfire Ranger
|
Campfire Ranger
Joined: Dec 2007
Posts: 25,107 |
Some folks bate the triton motors. Ive had great luck with them (knocks wood).
“Life is life and fun is fun, but it's all so quiet when the goldfish die.”
|
|
|
|
Joined: Oct 2005
Posts: 79,321 Likes: 2
Campfire Oracle
|
Campfire Oracle
Joined: Oct 2005
Posts: 79,321 Likes: 2 |
I'm into basics. 2005 long bed F-150, Essex 4.2 liter V6, 5 speed stick. They run a lot better than you would expect and are widely considered to be the best F-150 motor Ford ever built. I've had two of them.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Apr 2011
Posts: 473
Campfire Member
|
Campfire Member
Joined: Apr 2011
Posts: 473 |
I have 97 f350 7.3 pulls 32 ft camper like it wasn't anything get over 15 mpg ,has 172,000 miles on it 2 wheel drive 5 speed
|
|
|
|
Joined: Aug 2010
Posts: 28,163 Likes: 2
Campfire Ranger
|
Campfire Ranger
Joined: Aug 2010
Posts: 28,163 Likes: 2 |
The 7.3s were pretty dang good diesels.(and still are) Ive been online truck shopping and a dealer has a 2000 7.3 with 550k miles advertised.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Dec 2008
Posts: 8,312
Campfire Outfitter
|
Campfire Outfitter
Joined: Dec 2008
Posts: 8,312 |
Redneck posts up some good numbers.
For the long distance leisure crowd, hotshot drivers, and maybe local guys who do some heavier hauling over longer distances, a diesel makes more sense.
If you go by fuel costs alone, it takes a really long time to pay off a diesel engine. Longer than you might think.
I see these never diesles as sort of a "luxury tax". The option is expensive, the maintenence is higher, DEF is lame,....but when you want the power you have it.
With a big gas engine option, you dont have to pay the high upfront Luxury tax, but still have a powerful engine.
We have three diesel pickups on the farm. I like them too, but for daily "in the trenches" work.....I dont care for them like I did.
Other than towing heavy I'd take a gas over a diesel any day. But for towing a diesel just rocks. Maybe with low gears and a 8sp or 10sp a gas will be a better towing option. Also a turbo engine is really nice at higher altitudes. I opted for a diesel but it won't ever pay off in MPG over a gas, but it's way nicer to tow with, just more expensive. If I lived in the flat lands I could probably live with a gas engine, but towing in the Rockies the gas engines really work. My last gas truck got 6 mpg towing my toy hauler and the diesel gets 9 mpg. Plus the diesel has power to spare pulling hills, while the gas would be running 5k rpm just to hold speed up the same hill. Just towing around town the gas was good enough, but it struggled with heavier loads like a 13k excavator up a steep grade.
"Life is tough, even tougher if your stupid" John Wayne
|
|
|
|
213 members (12344mag, 1lessdog, 160user, 2UP, 264mag, 338rcm, 24 invisible),
1,630
guests, and
1,055
robots. |
Key:
Admin,
Global Mod,
Mod
|
|
Forums81
Topics1,192,628
Posts18,492,972
Members73,977
|
Most Online11,491 Jul 7th, 2023
|
|
|
|