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Yep, both of my current Winchester 94's will group 3 shots under 2" at 100 yards with iron sights and my old eyes. When I was younger the 1949 model would regularly hover around 1". Not sure whether it's my old eyes or wear on the old rifle that has it shooting closer to 2" today. Probably a little of both. My current Marlin 336 is scoped and is a solid sub MOA shooter for 3 shots with preferred loads.

I once watched two older guys (perhaps even older than I am now) "sight in" their rifles at the local range before big game season. One had an open-sighted lever-action, and the other a scoped bolt.

Their technique was to pile up scrap 2x4's on the bench, then rest the barrels of their rifles on the stack. They were shooting at 25 yards, the long-advised technique for getting close to zero before shooting at 100. I never saw a group under 4" at 25, with most more like buckshot patterns. They were still whacking away at 25 when I left.

I know it goes on, I see it on public land every year. I HEAR it from my house all day long.

You are the first one I EVER read admitting it.

IMO - that is MORE indicative of the " shooters " (?) than their rifles.


Since 1974 -- I've had MORE rifles than I can 'remember' to count. I have NEVER had one that would only shoot 4" groups at 100 yds NOT 25 yds.


IF I should get ahold of a rifle that shoots 4" groups --- I know who to sell it to ! (to whom to sell it.)

Jerry

"IMO - that is MORE indicative of the " shooters " (?) than their rifles."

Gee, Jerry, ya think?

Well.... let me be more specific. I didn't say it but.... it MAY be that more of these 4" shooting rifles MAY NOT be the rifles.
Is that better ?

Jerry

Are you speaking of me and Jay?

You just said the same exact thing even though you "didn't say it"??? Life is like a box of chocolates 😁

I remember a few years ago one of the guysxatvthe club brought out his Grand Dad’s Royal Newfoundland Lee Enfield from WW1
He asked me to check it for him but his Gramps had shot several moose with it , losing one the year before .
I set it up on my BR bags and fired three at fifty yards while he looked through my spotting scope .
“Jeepers! It’s hitting sideways!!”
Which one” I asked .
“All of ‘me!”
Cat

shrapnel,

Nope! Everybody knows you sight-in on rocks, not paper targets....

My late uncle used to sight in using a small piece of 2x4 laid in a plowed field. He could see the dirt fly as he adjusted the open sights of his BAR.

High precision is boring. No uncertainty at all. One can't be consider a proper looney until they has healed such things and set it aside to undertake the next crippled rifle.

There are times however when 4 MOA is acceptable. 6 barrels belt fed is an example.

BRRRRRRRRT

Or six or seven barrels linkless fed. Oh dear! That's gonna leave a mark!

It grinds my teeth watching some of the goings on...I don`t feel a bit badly for the shooters...it`s the poor animal they may shoot at I feel for.

How many people can shoot a 2" group @ 50yds with a bow?

You mustn't have owned a Mini-14.

horse

That’s correct. I liked the looks of the SS but fortunately I didn’t need one for any
reason at all.

Jerry

Oh come on..

Well, I had a trip down memory lane over the weekend, and I couldn't help thinking of this thread.

My buddy Bob attained ambient temperature over the winter, and I inherited his Ruger Model 44 Carbine. I've been getting it ready for deer hunting this season, and I finally had it out to the bench to do a final sight-in at 100 yards. Lo and behold, I ended up with a roughly 4" group about 1.5 inches over the bull. I doubt this rifle will ever fire more than 50 yards at a deer-- perfect for treestands or sliding through the cedar thickets. It'll also be my 1st choice if I ever get back over into Ohio and hunt under their new PCR rules.

Only 4 MOA! Egads, Shaman!

Truth is, I'm sure the rifle could do better, but I mounted a 1st gen Aimpoint on it. This is a scope I took off O.T.'s 25-06, so I'll be hunting with 2 dead friends this year. The scope puts a 2 MOA red dot on the target, so it more than covered the bullseye at 100 yards.

Judging from the fountains of spray coming up from the puddle behind the target frame, I'm quite impressed.

That gun is suggesting it has potential. It is your job to bring it into a better world.

I have one of those things. Only sight it's ever worn is a Millett SP-1 which has a 3 MOA dot. I think I've shot maybe 2 dozen jacketed bullets thru it, half hand loads with Hornady 240 HP and the other some Fiocchi 240 gr loads. The Horns did about 1.3" at 50 yards and the Fiocchi 1.1" @ 100 yards. Your dot covering the bullseye is no excuse, you just need to cover the BE in a symmetrical fashion with each shot is all.

More to the point, it does this at 100 these days.


Don't be afraid of goin' Quigley with this thing, it works.






Or, if you're afraid you have fat finger syndrome just try some regular cast stuff.


Only weighs 320 grains....


Yer shootin' 4 MOA 'cause you want to.....