We have become dependent on this form of hunting in MI That being said I really cant remember shooting a buck off a bait pile
I would also agree this form of hunting really doesnt make the best hunters. That being said I am sure you can find methods of hunting almost everywhere that other would roll their eyes, waterholes, dogs ,corn feeders ,helicopters etc
They (the bucks) know that a pile of sugar beets dont just fall there
The only thing it may help is if a doe is heading that way and he is hot on her tail
But I have shot quite a few off food plots and I will be sitting off one Nov 15 God willing
There is so much BS here in MI Re deer hunting I really dont know who to believe or root for anymore
Hank
Well said.
Ted has his own ideas & defends them passionately.
its never been legal here in PA and lots of guys do it. law says its gotta be removed 30 days before hunting season. schit the wally world has pallets of the schit up through and during hunting season.
I remember when baiting was illegal for deer before in Michigan. We still managed to take deer. There were more hunters then too and kept the deer moving. I remember seeing 78 deer one opening morning. But if you saw an antler you better shoot him as you weren't likely to see another that season. Recently the hunting is different. Most deer stay put on private property next to their food piles. The quality of bucks has gone up.
I doubt that a baiting ban is going to stop or even slow the spread of chronic wasting disease. Deer will still congregate under apple trees, oak trees, corn fields, etc. Once the cwd prion is in the soil it stays for a long time. I think the best thing to do is drastically reduce the deer herd but that would be highly unpopular.
I wonder if they are thinking of banning food plots? It could be considered a form of baiting.
The same science would apply to baiting bears, correct?
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When Ted was cranking out hunting shows it was on his private ranch with corn or some sort of scratch all over the ground. The game would be milling around feeding and he would glamorize the kill and call it spiritual. What a tool.
“I am the ultimate conservationist and I killed two mature bucks on my property last year with my bow and arrow, neither of them anywhere near bait. I don’t need to bait. Nobody needs to bait. I don’t need an 850 horsepower hellcat either but I’m an American and I own that property,” added Mr. Nugent, according to the outlet. “If you don’t want to hunt over bait, it’s pretty simple. Don’t. We choose. It’s a choice.”
Baiting is legal in most of Wisconsin . I have seen how lazy baiting makes hunters. These guys can't get off their bait pile. They just dont know how to hunt anymore. I have a place in northern Wis. There are very few hunters there anymore . There is one party and they bait from opening day of bow season to the end of gun season. If it were not for baiting , they would likely not get any deer. The fathers knew how to hunt but the kids and now the fathers sit over bait. I know enough to have an accurate opinion. It is a lazy unskilled way to harvest a deer. One time I shot a buck and actually felt bad about it so I quit. Now I hunt over trails, areas where I think they bed and feed. I see a few less deer this way and hey dont come in , stand broadside and put their head down so I can shoot. Baiting makes for an easier shot but when I stopped hunting over bait , it was very liberating instead of hunting the same stand, mentally afraid to not hunt there thinking is I dont hunt that bait pile, that is when that buck will come in , and therefore you never leave the bait pile. Now I am a total nomad, I have at least 25 different well thought out stands on 7,000 ac. of public land that gets lots of pressure all bow season but I still see deer. Although this is south east Wisconsin, I like it a lot more , than sitting over bait. Bait also, for the thousandth time, makes deer move less in the daytime . The cams prove it. Nice bucks coming in an hr after close and and at 4AM. , just to see a nubby or some fawns in the daytime cam pics. If we keep bait out of the woods, the deer will move almost all day long like they did 30 yrs ago.
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The Michigan DNR Sucks, 3 point rule 4 point rule! Bait dont Bait, I realy dont care much anymore! I do know 6 guys that are Not hunting in Michigan this year, they are going out of state! I live where I hunt, I could care less about the Baiting rule, if we can bait Ill put my 2 gallons of shell corn out, and Yes Iv Killed Large bucks over bait too! and without bait! I passed 2 diffrent 6 point bucks last year. I have 2 doe tags this year, 2 buck tags, Iv Passed on button bucks for 25 years but not anymore if its eating size Im shooting them. small six going down Im tired of the Let them Grow Crap! Fill the Freeze this year!
Ihookem, I hunt in “steep” peaks of the lowly Poconos but ARs rule and no baiting,1 buck and doe tags are permit only, ‘‘tis the law of the land, local only, my question lies in the former, do Baiters (yeah yeah Master haha, insert 10 yo joke) get more tags than you do?
In my view Uncle Ted is grandstanding for himself.
Like many states we have a growing CWD problem and in some areas, bovine TB.
We need take off our tin foil hats, there is no great conspiracy. The DNR really doesn't care that you are a better hunter than Bubba sitting over bait. If you have been paying attention, they have actually been trying to increase the harvest (regular firearms during muzzle loader for example). They do care about a diseased herd of deer and elk. Our beef and dairy farmers care a LOT about bovine TB.
I know DNR biologists working on this problem that are avid hunters. The issue isn't food itself, it is nose to nose contact over a feeder or pile of feed. When you pile food over couple of square feet, you increase the likelihood of contact. A multi acre food plot is not the same.
I don't like a lot of rules and I sure don't like government telling us what to do, but we must be good stewards with our natural resources. Deer hunting is a Michigan cultural tradition we should not endanger. Ignoring science and burying our heads in the sand like Ted is not the answer.
I don't see widespread civil disobedience as a result of this rule. Private landowners that bait will continue to do so. I do not hunt over bait piles but to each their own, especially on their own property.
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Here in Kommiefornia, and in some other states I've lived in, "baiting" is defined as such.
It is unlawful to:
Knowingly feed big game animals. (please tell that to the folks down the road that always have deer hanging around there place in the winter. I think they dump 50lb sacks of birdseed in a trough and call it bird feeding. Friggen deer in the road every night in winter)
Take game birds and mammals within 4000 yards of any baited area. This does not apply to the taking of game birds and mammals on or over standing crops, croplands, or grains found scattered solely as the result of normal agricultural operations or procedures.
Take bears within 400 yards of any garbage dump or bait.
I'm not sure a food plot would be legal here, as a food plot just for attracting deer would likely be considered baiting. Now, it a person planted turnips and such, and harvest some, and left the bad ones, that might be considered normal agricultural operations. Or if one hunted over the standing "crop" of turnips.
Not really an issue here, as most folks don't hunt like they do in a hardwood forest back east.
Geno
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I think supporting this as a good thing against "bad hunters" is short sighted; feeds right into the divide and conquer of hunters. If you don't like baiting, deer, bears, whatever...don't. But don't cheer more restrictions being put on hunters, if you like to hunt. Your "unsporting" use of a firearm, or whatever else is deemed "unsportsmanlike" may be next.
Jeeze Louise.....the schitting country is covered up with deer.
No one is hunting them.
Time to harvest fewer deer??
+/- 50 does and fawns in my rancher neighbor's alfalfa tonight. He's probably already taken in his last cut and will be putting some cattle out there soon, they're in a neighboring field he cut a week or so.
But we don't have antlerless hunts up here. We just whack the extras with our vehicles.
Was pulling out of a parking lot around 5 this evening, right near the major intersection in town, our one flashing light. Saw a spike and a youngster getting ready to cross in front of me as I was going to make a right onto the east/west highway. Was watching a big pickup coming before I pulled out and he dang near hit them.
But we don't have even an archery hunt in town.
Mule deer populations are low you know...................not around us though.
I wish we had seasons like they do back east.
Geno
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