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Again.. go into an everyday gun shop... ask to look at the few AR’s they have... 5.56 & .308 with maybe a .300 thrown in... you guys are in your own worlds...

Interesting thread. I've not bought a 6.5cm, and I think it's a solid round. My 270, 7-08, and 308 fine for what I need. I also, like my 22-250s, but they're in a different class IMO.

What would help this thread is for someone to find lists of ammo and rifles sold, by caliber, for this current year, and then the same list for say 10 years ago.

In the sales of new guns or re-barrel jobs the 6.5 CM has made the most inroads into the 260 Remington and probably the 25-06 to some extent.
I would have thought the 243 might be effected in sales more, but it has not. Many who like the very light recoiling of a 243 have seen nothing in the 6.5s to make them want something else.

Here in the middle of Wyoming I doubt it's had ANY measurable effect on the popularity of the 7-08, 308 3-06 or 270, or any belted magnum.

I have never seen one around here. I do see a few .270 & .300 short/ fats these days. 'bout it

The only thing "hurt" in this picture are a bunch of "butt-hurt" Creed owners when other hunters and shooters choose NOT to bow down and worship at the "Altar of the Creed..."

Creedmoor is correct and I almost always spell it that way. Occasionally my fingers get ahead of my brain. Hell, I can't even spell four letter words correctly sometimes.


Not even close? I ran the numbers at 7000 feet where we hunt and came up with what I provided before:
"For starters, the 6.5 Creedmore falls short to a well loaded .270 Win. Daughter’s .270 load for a 150g ABLR beats Hornady’s 143g ELD-X for the 6.5CM by 6” drop, 150fps, 265fpe and 1/2” drift at 500.
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More importantly for our purposes, at 7000ft altitude and above, and while the 6.5 has a miniscule advantage in drift out to 300 yards (after which the .270 wins), the .270 load beats it handily in all other categories put to 1000 yards, the limit of my calculations."

While the 6.5CM is a nifty little round, It isn't the best for Daughter #1's purposes. We wanted a cartridge for her that provided a balance of features, including light recoil (around 18ft-lbs), high and velocity at close range with excellent retained velocity and energy (approx. 2000fps and 1500fpe) at ranges out to 500-600 yards using a 22" or shorter barrel using factory ammo or handloads. Drift also was a factor at extended ranges (again 500-600 yards maximum). The .270 Win does that, handily beating the 6.5 CM whether I use Nosler's Trophy Grade ABLR data, Hornady ELD-X data or our confirmed handload data (M700/.270 150gABLR and RAR/6.5CM/143 ELD-X).

The 6.5mm 160g Weldcore has a claimed B.C. of .509. The .277 150g ABLR has .591. And while the 6.5CM might win somewhere past 600 yards, such ranges are of no interest for Daughter's purposes. The 6.5CM might have an advantage in recoil but at 17.7 ft-lbs, the .270 Win is light enough. Daughter will stick with the .270, which stomps the 6.5CM at close ranges and still beats it at 600 yards.

A comparison of Hornady factory 6.5CM/143g ELD-X @2700fps (S.D. .293, B.C. .625) and .270 Win/145g ELD-X @ 2970fps (S.D. .270, B.C. .536) ammunition shows the fallacy of your claims.

At the muzzle (Hornady data):
2700fps = 6.5CM
2315fpe = 6.5CM

2970fps = .270W
2840fpe = .270W (23% greater than the 6.5CM)

At 600 yards, assuming a Point Blank Range zero for a 6” diameter target at 7000 feet (we hunt there and higher), the comparison is as follows.

6.5 Creedmoor
237yds = zero
280yds = -3” drop (PBR)
-64.5” = drop @ 600yds
2064fps @600yds
1353fpe @600yds
16.9” drift @ 600yds (0.9” better than the .270 Win)
490yds = 2173fps/1500fpe

.270 Winchester
256yds = zero
302yds = -3” drop (PBR)
-53.1” = drop @ 600yds (11.4” less than the 6.5CM)
2177fps @ 600yds
1526fpe @ 600yds (13% more than the 6.5CM)
17.8” drift @ 600yds
630yds = 2158fps/1500fpe (29% greater than the 6.5CM)

Using 2000fps and 1500fpe as the criteria (which I use as a rule of thumb for elk), the .270W has 140 yards or 29% greater range than the 6.5CM. That extra range means a hunter can cover 65% more area whether you are looking at a full circle or any angular segment. When you are sitting on a clearing or hunting elk in open sage, as we often do (and plan to do again this year), that extra range many not be necessary, or it may, but in either case it is nice to have.

If you think you are killing elk (our purpose) with B.C. or S.D., well, that's just nuts. If you are killing them with retained velocity, momentum and energy, the .270 Win provides more at ranges we are concerned about.

Just sayin’.

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I picked up a Ruger American in 6.5 CM a few years ago. It is a great round, easy shooting and very accurate. I've used it deer hunting. It will not replace my .300Wm for elk. Or my 30-06 for that matter. Sometimes I think bigger is better.

........ 243

Only a heavy sporter 6mm CM has been added here. Won't be any 6.5s as long as I own a 257R.

From the thread on who and who doesn't own a Creed, it doesn't look like all that many....

I think, if you had to narrow it down, this is likely the correct answer... if there is a "correct" answer.

The 6.5 Creed is the .250 Savage's revenge on the .243.


"Knock me out of my position of favor, will ya? Hmmph, okay, maybe I can't kick your butt right now but my grandson sure will..."

It’s hurt a lot of ink cartridges because nothing but bullschit has been printed about them.

Good one!

Ha! Absolutely!

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The 6.5cm is trans gender

If nothing else, Weatherby has dropped the 308 Win from all its Mark V offerings. But the 6.5 Creedmore is there. Shame too, as I was considering a Mark V in 308.