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Originally Posted by nighthawk
Too easy. That conflates the Church, its doctrines and precepts, with administration by humans all of whom are bound to screw up to a greater or lesser degree. (And what Christian denomination doesn't believe it is founded on the authority of Jesus Christ Himself?)

Then maybe “the institution of the Catholic Church” shouldn’t make the claims that it does. And maybe any “Christian denomination” that claims that ‘it’ is ‘the one true church’, shouldn’t...! The ekklesia is the entire body of true believers.


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This Socialist, Leftist Pope is a disaster for the Church.

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Corruption at the Vatican has always been in full display. Go visit the place and see the wealth they built off the backs of peasants. I was pretty impressed with the wealth and splendor on display, but figure it doesn't come close to what they have in the bank.


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Dress her up like an altar boy!


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Simony and idolatry are the arch sins there, written into stone since Trent.
I suggest a close look at Luther and his key points of reform.


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Originally Posted by reivertom
This Socialist, Leftist Pope is a disaster for the Church.

His phraseology in "The Joy of the Gospel" was pure Marxism.
He was mentored by a Liberation Theology guy.


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Originally Posted by reivertom
This Socialist, Leftist Pope is a disaster for the Church.

The Vatican was corrupt long before Francis came along.

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Satan is real...he’s been trying to topple Gods holy church since Jesus was still alive as a man. This does not surprise me... nor does it dissuade me


i listen to a lot of catholic radio programing, there are many observers who describe the condition in Rome as 'chaotic'. i don't think the pope is happy with scrutiny from conservative, catholic, american, news outlets, commentators, theologians and educators, of which there are quite a few



Hey fellas: here's a clue: the Catholic hierarchy is NOT God's Holy church. It's a political entity, much like the entity that instigated the crucifixion in the first place.


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Raiding the Vatican is akin to raiding the DNC. It could never happen here in America, because the media, law enforcement, and judges are all corrupt as well. I'm amazed the Vatican allowed themselves to be raided. Maybe it is all theater.


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Originally Posted by RiverRider
Originally Posted by sse
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Satan is real...he’s been trying to topple Gods holy church since Jesus was still alive as a man. This does not surprise me... nor does it dissuade me


i listen to a lot of catholic radio programing, there are many observers who describe the condition in Rome as 'chaotic'. i don't think the pope is happy with scrutiny from conservative, catholic, american, news outlets, commentators, theologians and educators, of which there are quite a few



Hey fellas: here's a clue: the Catholic hierarchy is NOT God's Holy church. It's a political entity, much like the entity that instigated the crucifixion in the first place.


Disagree

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Disagree til time ends. Your choice, but it has no bearing on fact.

It's difficult to escape brainwashing.

Oh, hey...while we're at it, know where I can buy an indulgence? I did something really bad and I need the pope's letter of introduction.

*snork*


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Originally Posted by Robert_White
Simony and idolatry are the arch sins there,

Durn, after al these years how did I miss that part?


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Which explains a lot.
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This Socialist, Leftist Pope is a disaster for the Church.

The Vatican was corrupt long before Francis came along.


This^^^^. And now essentially all organized Christian religious sects have made their deal with the devil.

All in the WC of Churches turned against Him a while ago and the rest will.


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Originally Posted by RiverRider
Disagree til time ends. Your choice, but it has no bearing on fact.

It's difficult to escape brainwashing.

Oh, hey...while we're at it, know where I can buy an indulgence? I did something really bad and I need the pope's letter of introduction.

*snork*


Again...acts of the devil in Gods Holy Church are not surprising in the least. It’s exactly what I would do if I were satan

As much as you’d like to you can’t re-write the history of the church Jesus created nor the evils he experienced and warned us of


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Actually indulgences are free. But you gotta repent and actually mean it. Indulgences started out as an alternative penance. Say your penance was to not eat meat for a year. They were harsh in those days. You could ask the bishop's indulgence to give a year's meat budget to the poor instead. Not exactly a freebie. Of course as humans will some, and some at the top, saw it as easy money.


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They still have Apostolic Succession and they still have the ability to drive out the worst of demons in the name of Christ and Protestant churches don't.
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“But the wicked spirit, answering, said to them: Jesus I know: and Paul I know. But who are you?
And the man in whom the wicked spirit was, leaping upon them and mastering them both, prevailed against them, so that they fled out of that house naked and wounded.”
Notice that those guys even invoked the Name of Christ and still failed. They didn't have Holy Orders (the sacrament of Succession).

Acts 19 is very interesting in that it shows the process of Succession. One Apostle must lay hands upon the new. If that didn't happen, there is no succession. It also shows the power of relics, another verse most Protestants seem to have missed and simply dismiss as "superstition".


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Originally Posted by Quak

As much as you’d like to you can’t re-write the history of the church Jesus created nor the evils he experienced and warned us of



You can cling desperately to the notion that the Roman Catholic Church is the one created by Jesus Christ until the cows come home, but it just ain't so.


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Originally Posted by RiverRider
Originally Posted by Quak

As much as you’d like to you can’t re-write the history of the church Jesus created nor the evils he experienced and warned us of



You can cling desperately to the notion that the Roman Catholic Church is the one created by Jesus Christ until the cows come home, but it just ain't so.

This is the truth. That BS papist say about tracing back their lineage to the Jesus Christ and the apostle Peter is a bunch of BS.
So are the gawdy outfits, accumulation of wealth and power, popes, worshipping idols by praying to Mary etc.

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Originally Posted by BWalker
Originally Posted by RiverRider
Originally Posted by Quak

As much as you’d like to you can’t re-write the history of the church Jesus created nor the evils he experienced and warned us of



You can cling desperately to the notion that the Roman Catholic Church is the one created by Jesus Christ until the cows come home, but it just ain't so.

This is the truth. That BS papist say about tracing back there lineage to the Jesus Christ apostle Peter is a bunch of BS.
So are the gawdy outfits, accumulation of wealth and power, popes, worshipping idols by praying to Mary etc.


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It would be a far better world if the Catholic Church would simply disappear into the cess pool of history they have created. How anyone can support this church in this day and age is mind blowing. It is nothing but a haven for child molesters and illegals.


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