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Inherit character is not chosen. What we are being basically shaped by an interaction of genetics and environment. Besides, Judaism has Satan working for God. A rebellion in Heaven is a Christian idea, the book of Enoch, etc.

let's see if i have this right, for the neophytes who walk amongst us.

YHWH established his people on earth. he wrote out a set of laws and gave it to Moses.

Moses came down the mtn and found his people reverted to celebrating a golden calf. (gold is sought after everywhere?).

he wrote another set of laws.

jesus was miraculously born of a young teen age essene virgin.

mainstream jews, mostly sadducees and pharisees didn't like the story.

conflict erupted, and the roman conquerors did what they could to keep the peace.

the romans utilized troops from all over the kingdom, even found fit to install a few chaldean archers.

jesus and his kind were found to be such riff-raff, that is trouble makers (truth-bringers?), that the mainstream ruled them out.

a split in the religion occurred, and different folks went on their way. and life as occurred ever since.

later, there was a riff between the catholics, and a group called the pro-testants. the baptists were always separate.

and now the religion of peace is offering us all a chance at redemption before they move ahead and forcibly convert us all.

is that about it, for an early sunday morning school lesson with 5-7 year olds?

Satan can do nothing without permission and empowerment from God,... If God don't approve it , then it can't happen.
that makes satan Gods attack dog...

evidenced by the deal struck between God and Satan to inflict both natural and moral evils on Job.
(one can call them disasters, calamities or evils, ..which ever bible translation makes you happy.)

Jobs servants were murdered, thus a moral evil, calamity or disaster, no different to a military leader suffering
a military campaign disaster of his men being wiped out in battle.



what Lucifer wanted is part of Gods plan ...God already had purpose For Lucifer after his fall.
instead of destroying Lucifer , God cast him out and gave him a mission sanctioned by God Himself.

fallen Lucifer didn't want the task God gave him on earth, his ambition was to win the heavenly battle and displace God.
but having lost that battle, he then did what God told him to do....

is Satan obedient to God ?.., yes he is..!
He did no more to Job than God allowed him to do,..and when God called satan to heaven for a council with God,
Satan obeyed and turned up as commanded.

Now ask yourself , why would an all knowing God appoint an angel in heaven as his most cherished,
with the knowledge that angel would lead a rebellion?...God could have appointed an angel which he knew would not rebel,
thus spare heaven from rebellion and the world from evil.

One can only conclude that it was Gods will that rebellion would take place in heaven and that the defeated challenger
would then continue to serve a predestined purpose for God by having dominion over the earth, as authorised by God.

in others words, evil sprouted from a seed[angel] that God made and appointed , and that God knew was going to be rotten
even before he made and appointed such an angel to such prominent position in heaven.

With God having such supreme power authority and foreknowledge how can he not be the author/creator/designer of evil?





further sources ...

https://biblehub.com/lexicon/isaiah/45-7.htm

https://biblehub.com/hebrew/7451b.htm

https://biblehub.com/hebrew/7455.htm


Strongs concordance:
Title: Strong’s Hebrew and Greek Dictionaries
Edition: Third


H7451
רע רעה
ra‛ râ‛âh
rah, raw-aw'
From H7489 ; bad or (as noun) evil (naturally or morally). This includes the second (feminine) form; as adjective or noun:
—adversity, affliction, bad, calamity, + displease (-ure), distress, evil ([-favouredness], man, thing), + exceedingly, X great,
grief (-vous), harm, heavy, hurt (-ful), ill (favoured), + mark, mischief, (-vous), misery, naught (-ty), noisome, + not please,
sad (-ly), sore, sorrow, trouble, vex, wicked (-ly, -ness, one), worse (-st) wretchedness, wrong.
[Including feminine ra’ah; as adjective or noun.]

I think not but I am at the time in my life where I do not want to learn anymore. I spun for 30+ years, time over. I am good with where I currently stand.

Either God (assuming existence) lost control of His creation or He knowingly created the world the way it was, with the worm in the apple: a naive couple led astray by a cunning creature (not Satan), set to fall with the full knowledge of God....like a parent knowingly setting up their children to fail then punishing them when the inevitable happens. Someone might say that the children have 'free will' but that is absurd as a rationale.

For mankind to exercise Free-Will , God would have to make available the options [both alternatives] ...would he not?

ie;......good [tov] and evil [ra]

In the days of the early Christian Church, there was Manacheasim and Zoroastrianism which each shared the view that there were
essentially two gods, one who was all good and one who was all bad, in constant conflict, and neither showed a stronger hand.
That would be unacceptable to Isaiah and to later Jewish religious thinkers, hence why Isaiah 45:5, 6, 18,

make the point "I am the Lord, and there is none else"

In Genesis darkness and light is under the Lords creative command, but some folks don't like to accept that good and evil is also under
Gods creative command....God is a universal, all-powerful, all-creating God until [insert clause] He no longer is such when its
inconvenient for some to acknowledge and believe so.

the same Hebrew "ra" [evil] in Isaiah 45:7 (KJV) is used in Genesis 3:22 (KJV) and Deuteronomy 30:15 (KJV)

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Proverbs 16:4

[NASB]
The LORD has made everything for its own purpose, Even the wicked for the day of evil.
[KJV]
The LORD hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil.


So nothing exists unless God made it for good reason, or are there exceptions?

Again, if you wrote a book, would you let someone change it & distribute it? The word "licensed" refers to the translations, not to the peasants.

Oh, and Wycliffe was not the first vernacular translation in Britain. There were many before him.

Yes, but the underlying mechanism is free will.

That's a pretty good description. Time is a creation of God. Predestination effectively denies that. A very limited, primitive view of God.

The book of Enoch is not in the Bible. But Revelation is. And it mentions the rebellion.

One of the names for Satan given is "serpent", so again you show your lack of information.

I didn't say that the book of Enoch is the bible, I said the concept of a rebellion in heaven is in the book of Enoch....and what is in Revelation is different matter altogether.

That's not an argument. Just saying that indicates that you have no idea about the history of the development of the concept of 'Satan' or the 'Devil.'

The concept of Satan is different between Christianity and Judaism. Genesis describes the serpent in the Garden not as a supernatural entity but a beast in the Garden who was punished for its part in the drama.

Ringman, for your information;


''Introduced as “the most clever of all of the beasts of the field that YHWH God had made,” the serpent in the Garden of Eden is portrayed as just that: a serpent. Satan does not make an appearance in Genesis 2–3, for the simple reason that when the story was written, the concept of the devil had not yet been invented.''

''The noun satan, Hebrew for “adversary” or “accuser,” occurs nine times in the Hebrew Bible: five times to describe a human military, political or legal opponent, and four times with reference to a divine being. In Numbers 22, the prophet Balaam, hired to curse the Israelites, is stopped by a messenger from Israel’s God YHWH, described as “the satan” acting on God’s behalf.''


''The concept of the devil begins to appear in second and first centuries B.C.E. Jewish texts. In 1 Enoch, the “angel” who “led Eve astray” and “showed the weapons of death to the children of men” was called Gadreel (not Satan). Around the same time, the Wisdom of Solomon taught that “through the devil’s envy death entered the world, and those who are on his side suffer it.” Though this may very well be the earliest reference to Eden’s serpent as the devil, in neither text, nor in any document we have until after the New Testament, is satan clearly understood as the serpent in Eden. At Qumran, though, Satan is the leader of the forces of darkness; his power is said to threaten humanity, and it was believed that salvation would bring the absence of Satan and evil.

By the first century C.E., Satan is adopted into the nascent Christian movement, as ruler over a kingdom of darkness, an opponent and deceiver of Jesus (Mark 1:13), prince of the devils and opposing force to God (Luke 11:15–19; Matthew 12:24–27; Mark 3:22–23:26); Jesus’ ministry puts a temporary end to Satan’s reign (Luke 10:18) and the conversion of the gentiles leads them from Satan to God (Acts 26:18). Most famously, Satan endangers the Christian communities but will fall in Christ’s final act of salvation, described in detail in the book of Revelation.''

Luke 22 mentions satan entering Judas influencing his actions , thus it could be that satan similarly worked through
the conduit of the gardens serpent...Satan being extremely wise and clever would select the most clever craftiest
and capable of the gardens creatures to assist him.....[we know snakes can talk but sheep can't type]...

satan is a spiritual entity and does not take or manifest in flesh form...I am unaware of any instances where he does such.





Too much information for many christians....the simple black /white or hero and villain script of God vs the devil
is where they like to keep it.

I believe in simplicity, reduce problems to the simplest possible solution.

Do unto others,as you would have them do unto you.

All other theology represents humans attempting to control others.

YMMV


mike r

lot's of non-mainstream discussion of the "reptilians" and i reckon snakes are just that?

the fact they were on urth walking/crawling around with adamah and havah makes me wander.

that is, the two first humans were in the garden, and all is paradise. well, except for a minor detail or two.

now was the snake air-lifted in to the garden after adam and eve were installed, or just the reverse occurred?

it's important that a good story be kept on plot, not meander too much, and make sense to the rank & file of oral listeners.

History is not simple. Determining truth is not as simple as believing. Ideas and beliefs develop over time. The people at the time of the writing of genesis had a different set of beliefs than those who came later. Even the usage of word 'Satan' changed over time.

What is said in the NT is not what the people at the time of the writing of genesis believed or wrote about.

Again you are showing your ignorance of the Bible. Let me help you.

Revelation 12:7-9
"And there was war in heaven, Michael and his angles waging war with the dragon. And the dragon and his angles waged war, and they were not strong enough, and there was no longer a place for them in heaven. And the great dragon was thrown down, the serpent of old who is called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was thrown down to the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him."

the genesis people didn't even know about the stuff the nt people wrote, and talked about and believed.

mainly that's because a lot of time had passed between the writing down of genesis and the writing of the new testament. a lot of history has transpired, a lot of technology and doctrine had developed. and likely yhwh had left the earth in the interim time span. yhwh had a lot of territory to oversee, manage, and keep in harmony. i don't know how many angels it took to help him to run the universe but i suspect it was a pretty large number to keep the hierarchy in synchrony.

You read what others write when it agrees with your preconceived notion. You and I are the same. We are like parrots. We read what others says and either reject it or accept it based on our world view. I don't agree with what you are quoting. It makes no difference that you are appealing to authority. Your authority is flawed.