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“Misinterpretation”...? Are you saying that Jesus wasn’t rebuking Peter for not setting his mind on the things of God...His ways and His plans and His purposes...? Peter’s mind was set on the things of man, the things of the world and it’s earthly values. It does NOT seem “reasonable” at all that Jesus put him in charge of anything, and then moments later spoke to him harshly because he had turned from God’s perspective and viewed the situation from man’s perspective.

Sure it was a rebuke, and a harsh one at that. Like get your head out of your ass, you know better than that. Not you have revealed yourself to be a worshiper of the evil one.

So did Jesus leave no one in charge, you apostles go your separate ways and teach whatever you want to? Seems like 36,000 denominations would have it that way.

Hmmm...was Jesus speaking Greek when he said this?

How did Mary as a mere mortal avoid inheriting Adams original sin?

Why would a person without original sin need a personal saviour?

only sinners need a saviour, and any dead sinners are awaiting judgement like the rest.

Luke 1:47
“My soul doth magnify the Lord, and my spirit has rejoiced in God my Savior”

RiverRider, Maybe the Russians have the e mail, think Trump would ask?

She avoided original sin by the will of God. Exactly how is unknown. One theory involves God not being constrained by time, a favorite conundrum here. Similarly the status of Mary had she refused, and it was her choice whether or not to accept God's will, is unknowable.

So Jesus made Peter the head of the Christian Church and then told him to get his head out of his ass...?

clearly it escapes you that Mary acknowledged she had a personal saviour,,
and there is no need for such lest one be a sinner....thus Mary awaits judgement like the rest.

your arcane catholic dogma spin stories are absurd.




again , what can Mary do for you that Jesus , Holy Spirit and the Father cannot, through your prayers?

ie; why would that Trio need Mary to intercede?

He left no one person in charge. And He told His disciples to spread *His teachings* to all the nations of the world.

Corruption at the Vatican? I'm shocked...shocked I tell ya.....next you'll be telling me there's turmoil in the middle east.

So what...? Who gives a flip how many different denominations there are...? Despite the insignificant theological differences between them, there are a few central tenets that all Christians typically hold together...regardless of their particular church or denomination or culture or geographical location. Christians typically believe in God (the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit), and they typically believe that all humans are sinful and in need of grace, and that only Jesus makes it possible for people to have a relationship with God through His death and resurrection. Christians also typically believe that the Bible reveals who God is, how they can have a relationship with Him, and how they can extend God’s love to other people. Other beliefs and practices are often the cause of disagreements...and they are secondary.

Now you're just making stuff up, talk about spin.

So did they vote on exactly what his teachings were, they weren't all with him at the same time, or go with gut instinct?

Whoa Nellie! there are some crucial theological differences. Or does close enough for government work apply?

No. Jesus didn’t tell them to “vote on exactly what His teachings were.” And NONE of the Catholic Pope’s throughout all of history were ‘ever’ with Him.

There are essential beliefs (such as those that I mentioned earlier), and there are non-essential beliefs. Individuals do have liberty in non-essential beliefs. Believers do have the personal freedom to have varying interpretations on theological issues that are not clearly presented in Scripture.
“Accept the one whose faith is weak, without passing judgment on disputable matters… Who are you to judge someone else’s servant? To their own master servants stand or fall… So then each of us will give an account of ourselves to God… So whatever you believe about these things keep between yourself and God.” - Romans 14:1, 4, 12, 22

I don't think you can argue that Peter was in a leadership position in the fledgling church, certainly until the conversion of the Apostle Paul. After that, Paul led an outreach to the Gentiles and Peter to the Jews, seemingly upon mutual agreement. However, what I don't get is where the concept of succession came from other than the tradition of man, likely post Constantine. Jesus said nothing about it even if we are to assume that Peter himself was the "rock", or the defacto leader at the time.

Speaking of Paul, he busted Pope Peter's chops pretty good about being a hypocrite as far as the Gospel was concerned. If it was understood at the time that Peter had something resembling absolute Papist authority directly from Jesus would Paul have done that? Further, if you read Paul he makes it clear that he saw himself in no way inferior to any other apostle. Evidently, Paul didn't get the memo.

As far as the seven sons of Sceva, the demon said he knew Paul and the book of Acts records Paul casting out demons. Did Paul receive authority over the spirit world from Peter? Paul would tell you that he did not even receive the Gospel from "any man" but by revelation and his immediate response was to not consult with any man or to go to Jerusalem to see any of the others. After 3 years he went to stay with Peter for 15 days. If Peter was in fact the top dog, should not Paul have gone to him to receive permission, a blessing, some kind of bona fides from the beginning?

Building a doctrine around one verse or even one chapter of scripture is often a dangerous thing. I think you guys have done it with Matthew 16:18. Not only a doctrine but an entire political and religious hierarchy. Really no different than what the snake handlers did with Mark 16:18. Just as Catholics with Matthew 16:18, they will argue all day that its in the book and they are right, but fail to apply the whole counsel of the word. When you get right down to it, I think all the denominations do this in what they accept and what they omit from the word.

I respect and love all real Christian denominations...however I do believe M16:18...and I wasn’t raised Catholic. When I came to truly know God I started with the Bible...and history as we know it Including the attempts to discredit the Church. It became clear to me.

I also believe satan is actively trying to discredit and destroy religious institutions. This was foretold

When you get right down to it, every individual is a denomination unto themselves.

God does not have a holy church in Rome. Satan does.