Was in Grand Teton area last year this time and saw a chopper pull up a body of guide killed by a griz and a hunter severely mauled. There is a reason griz were nearly eradicated in the lower 48. They are dangerous. The idea that we should have lots of these type of predators in areas where recreation goes on - be it hunting or the Starbuck's crowd "hiking" - is not a wise one.
Also:
Originally Posted by hatari
Told to me by a Ranger in Grand Teton National Park this time last year.
He points at some pile of dung on the ground with a stick and picks through it.
"This is black bear scat. You can see seeds and undigested berries and vegetation in it. Know how to tell black bear scat from grizzly?" We gave a puzzled look and shock our heads.
"Griz scat will be a bigger pile, contain a whistle, a small bell, and smell like pepper spray".
He did it with a straight face.
"The Democrat Party looks like Titanic survivors. Partying and celebrating one moment, and huddled in lifeboats freezing the next". Hatari 2017
"Hokey religions and ancient weapons are no match for a good blaster at your side, kid." Han Solo
Rarely do the winds in Aleutian Hell slow down enough to consider bear spray. Besides, I've obtained great results loading their asses with Remington Nitro Steel. It's not just for ducks anymore. Even if they come back, they become very wary of humans.
Laughing.
Slaves get what they need. Free men get what they want.
" I carry a large caliber rifle in my hands, usually with a bullet in the chamber and the safety on." Well that statement in the article should add at least ten pages to the "I carry cold" nonsense crowd...
A good principle to guide me through life: “This is all I have come to expect, standard lackluster performance. Trust nothing, believe no one and realize it will only get worse…”
Reading the article is worth the time. It's a real education. If you are going to be around bears, the education is helpful.
I agree with you on the article. I think there is a bigger point to this article though. The article shows how writers can cherry pick data and shade or twist the conclusion to their narrative or pre conceived ideas. The Global Warmers/climate change researchers are good at using this technique too. Techniques such as this make me very sceptical of any study results that are widely published.
This guy has an opinion about bear spray that is perhaps valid through his experience, but it's probably not a definitive answer for every event that might happen. In his situation he felt that bear spray might have helped with the first charge.
About the only thing I can add to this is neither a handgun nor bear spray are effective carried in one's backpack. And carrying cold in bear country is the same as carrying a semi auto handgun with an empty chamber. You may be doomed to spend the rest of your life running the bolt (or slide).
Chronographs, bore scopes and pattern boards have broke a lot of hearts.
" I carry a large caliber rifle in my hands, usually with a bullet in the chamber and the safety on." Well that statement in the article should add at least ten pages to the "I carry cold" nonsense crowd...
I thought you had learned how it is done here and got off your hot chamber high horse...
Mark Begich, Joaquin Jackson, and Heller resistance... Three huge reasons to worry about the NRA.
Another true story from my trip to Grand Teton last year. Staying at a small boutique hotel in Jackson, a citified couple asks for best day hikes in the park. Desk guy tells him Jenny Lake and so forth and asks if they have bear spray. Women answers negative. Guy gives her one of the hotels and asks if she knows how to use it.
I thought my hearing was bad at first because i heard her ask "Do I spray on my clothes too, or just exposed skin ? " (Like mosquito repellent)
To the guys, credit, he didn't laugh or blink an eye. He just said
"If you try either one, please step outside first!"
"The Democrat Party looks like Titanic survivors. Partying and celebrating one moment, and huddled in lifeboats freezing the next". Hatari 2017
"Hokey religions and ancient weapons are no match for a good blaster at your side, kid." Han Solo
I thought you had learned how it is done here by the insecure and cluelessand got off your hot chamber high horse...
Fixed it for you....
But for those needing visual stimulation... (pardon me whilst I load my chamber in the middle of this charge)
A good principle to guide me through life: “This is all I have come to expect, standard lackluster performance. Trust nothing, believe no one and realize it will only get worse…”
Game Warden told me this : make sure if you shoot a bear,that dead bear is pepper sprayed before i get there, so buy a can of bear pepper spray . TO your question > yes it does it helps keep the cost down on court cost,fines and attorney fees.
You should not use a rifle that will kill an animal when everything goes right; you should use one that will do the job when everything goes wrong." -Bob Hagel
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As I have posted many times, two interactions with brown bears led to serious doses of spray to the faces at staplegun range. Spray did not save either bear's life...
But do not consider for a second that it is the bear spray manufacturers pushing for spray. It is the treehuggers begging for the use of condiments to save as many bears as possible.
Agreed.
And this from the article:
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Dave does not address a basic premise of the advocates for the use of bear spray. The premise is that in a bear human conflict, it is better if the bear is not killed. The purpose of bear spray seems more to protect the bear than to protect the human.
Doubtful that capsicum provides enough pain to cause long-term memory for future avoidance with humans.
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I thought you had learned how it is done here by the insecure and cluelessand got off your hot chamber high horse...
Fixed it for you....
But for those needing visual stimulation... (pardon me whilst I load my chamber in the middle of this charge)
This what Phil had to say back in November of '18. I guess he is insecure about having someone behind him with a hot chamber, but hardly clueless
Originally Posted by 458Win I guess the counter argument is that you are completely free to carry a round in your chamber and I am completely free to not hunt with you. And if you are required to hunt with a guide then you have a choice to make.
After forty years of guiding and a lifetime of hunting and being around people with loaded guns I have seen numerous accidental deaths caused by men carrying loaded weapons, have a bullet scar in the back of my thigh from an "unloaded" rifle and had numerous unintended discharges that narrowly missed either me or someone close by.
I will willingly face a charging bear rather than walk in front of a nervous hunter carrying a loaded rifle!
Mark Begich, Joaquin Jackson, and Heller resistance... Three huge reasons to worry about the NRA.
When you see scat along the trail don't you see little bells in it? And it smells like OC spray? Yep. Th!t confirms it is bear scat! Be Well, RZ
Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy. Its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery. Winston Churchill.
I thought you had learned how it is done here by the insecure and cluelessand got off your hot chamber high horse...
Fixed it for you....
But for those needing visual stimulation... (pardon me whilst I load my chamber in the middle of this charge)
This what Phil had to say back in November of '18. I guess he is insecure about having someone behind him with a hot chamber, but hardly clueless
Originally Posted by 458Win I guess the counter argument is that you are completely free to carry a round in your chamber and I am completely free to not hunt with you. And if you are required to hunt with a guide then you have a choice to make.
After forty years of guiding and a lifetime of hunting and being around people with loaded guns I have seen numerous accidental deaths caused by men carrying loaded weapons, have a bullet scar in the back of my thigh from an "unloaded" rifle and had numerous unintended discharges that narrowly missed either me or someone close by.
I will willingly face a charging bear rather than walk in front of a nervous hunter carrying a loaded rifle!
So let me get this straight, you want me to be in the bush hunting dangerous game with a cold chamber in the hopes that: A guide/PH whom I scarcely know will get between me and a possible dangerous animal with a cold chamber in the hopes he will stop it? Fine, rest assured I will not be hunting dangerous game with ANY guide or Professional Hunter that does not allow me the right to defend my own ass...
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A good principle to guide me through life: “This is all I have come to expect, standard lackluster performance. Trust nothing, believe no one and realize it will only get worse…”
