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Ok, if it's for fire safety, Nope... it's all about drumming up support for both higher taxes and rates...
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Ok, if it's for fire safety, someone more informed than myself
answer this. When they have to respond to structure fires, will there
be water in the hydrants. I suppose the answer is, depends.
If my neighbors car catches on fire in the garage, there is no water
available, it's windy as hell, and the whole neighborhood goes up,
fire takes off crosscountry......
Aren't they going to be responsible for everything after the initial event?
Someone mentioned generators, I no several folk who need constant
power for medical devices. Others (myself with c-pap) who need power
at least a few hours a day. If a fire starts because you shut my power off,
And a medically necessary generator started it, aren't you liable?
Equipment failure, accident, storm, probably not.
But here , you just decided to throw the switch.
This WILL test the civil laws. Most municiple water systems are designed with elevated storage tanks and standpipes. For pressure and storage volume. It would be poor planning to design a system on a free ball pump set up.
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Ok, if it's for fire safety, someone more informed than myself
answer this. When they have to respond to structure fires, will there
be water in the hydrants. I suppose the answer is, depends.
If my neighbors car catches on fire in the garage, there is no water
available, it's windy as hell, and the whole neighborhood goes up,
fire takes off crosscountry......
Aren't they going to be responsible for everything after the initial event? The water districts have their own generators and will keep water flowing or so they say. Supposed to have our power turned off by noon today because of the high winds/fire hazard. They say the power will be off for 2 days but it will take another 3 days for them to check their system for any issues before it's actually turned back on if that makes sense, bunch of flugging wingnuts. The winds ain't gonna do schitt....sustained winds forecast at 15-30 MPH gmafb....
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It is interesting to consider the environmental impact of thousands of generators being fired up and running. Generator sales must be going through the roof in this part of California. We are certainly seeing that in this part of Oregon as our local utility (Pacific Power) has said that they will also cut off power if our area faces a red flag event. Fortunately, our rainfall in September (5") has been much higher than average.
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How the homeless folks gonna know where to poop? Where they always do. On the sidewalk. No problem.  L.W.
"Always go straight forward, and if you meet the devil, cut him in two and go between the pieces." (William Sturgis, clipper ship captain, 1830s.)
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This has NOTHING to do with fire danger. It's ALL about the tort law industry. I have friends who lost their home in the Camp Fire, at Paradise and they were inundated by illegal calls from lawyers representatives hustling business to sue PG&E after the fire. The ongoing legal claims far exceed actual property damage..you know the song, pain and suffering, emotional distress etc.
Planned power outages, are PG&E's response, hoping public outrage over the planned outages result in a change in CA law protecting utilities from tort jihad in the future. Kabuki theater...in the billions of dollars. Isn't it always about the money in the end?
Well this is a fine pickle we're in, should'a listened to Joe McCarthy and George Orwell I guess.
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Ok, if it's for fire safety, someone more informed than myself
answer this. When they have to respond to structure fires, will there
be water in the hydrants. I suppose the answer is, depends.
If my neighbors car catches on fire in the garage, there is no water
available, it's windy as hell, and the whole neighborhood goes up,
fire takes off crosscountry......
Aren't they going to be responsible for everything after the initial event? The water districts have their own generators and will keep water flowing or so they say. Supposed to have our power turned off by noon today because of the high winds/fire hazard. They say the power will be off for 2 days but it will take another 3 days for them to check their system for any issues before it's actually turned back on if that makes sense, bunch of flugging wingnuts. The winds ain't gonna do schitt....sustained winds forecast at 15-30 MPH gmafb.... 35-55 mph
Screw you! I'm voting for Trump again!
Ecc 10:2
The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but that of a fool to the 24HCF.
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This has NOTHING to do with fire danger. It's ALL about the tort law industry. I have friends who lost their home in the Camp Fire, at Paradise and they were inundated by illegal calls from lawyers representatives hustling business to sue PG&E after the fire. The ongoing legal claims far exceed actual property damage..you know the song, pain and suffering, emotional distress etc.
Planned power outages, are PG&E's response, hoping public outrage over the planned outages result in a change in CA law protecting utilities from tort jihad in the future. Kabuki theater...in the billions of dollars. Isn't it always about the money in the end? ^^^^^^ This.
Screw you! I'm voting for Trump again!
Ecc 10:2
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Wonder if it's all an exercise and test for Smart Meters on mass scale?
Molɔ̀ːn Labé Skýla!
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Also, this a.m.it was said gasoline in Cali was over $5.00gal., so just stay home in the dark and celebrate.
--- CAUGHT IN THE CROSSFIRE --- A Magic Time To Be An Illegal In America---
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Wonder if it's all an exercise and test for Smart Meters on mass scale? I don't believe they would shut it down at the meter. The Paradise fire was caused by a transmission line. But I am no expert and could be wrong
Originally Posted by Judman
PS, if you think Trump is “good” you’re way stupider than I thought! Haha
Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit.
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This has NOTHING to do with fire danger. It's ALL about the tort law industry. I have friends who lost their home in the Camp Fire, at Paradise and they were inundated by illegal calls from lawyers representatives hustling business to sue PG&E after the fire. The ongoing legal claims far exceed actual property damage..you know the song, pain and suffering, emotional distress etc.
Planned power outages, are PG&E's response, hoping public outrage over the planned outages result in a change in CA law protecting utilities from tort jihad in the future. Kabuki theater...in the billions of dollars. Isn't it always about the money in the end? That's the way I see it. Are cell towers offline? nope.
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@jameslavish
If you work 40 hrs/wk: at 5% inflation and after 5 years, you need a 28% pay raise or to work 44 more hours (*one full extra week* per month+) to make up the difference.
This is inflation
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So how are the green electric cars supposed to recharge? Maybe they have a stash of AA and AAA batteries from the remote.
For even when we were with you, we gave you this rule: "If a man will not work, he shall not eat."
2 Thessalonians 3:10
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So how are the green electric cars supposed to recharge? Maybe they have a stash of AA and AAA batteries from the remote. Solar
Screw you! I'm voting for Trump again!
Ecc 10:2
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Yeah, but they got permission to pass all those costs on to the rate payer.
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I don't believe that is the case, they may have been able to pass some costs through but they still took a brutal beating. I'll find a link. I can't find anything saying the psc is letting them include the 2018 fires in their rates. Claims are estimated at over thirty billion. Do some searches on "inverse condemnation" to see how it works.
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Also, this a.m.it was said gasoline in Cali was over $5.00gal., so just stay home in the dark and celebrate. Would be a good time to own a liquor store / candle shop. Seriously though, that is a schitty situation out there.
The deer hunter does not notice the mountains
"I fear all we have done is to awaken a sleeping giant and fill him with a terrible resolve" - Isoroku Yamamoto
There sure are a lot of America haters that want to live here...
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Liberals can and do screw up everything they touch! 50 years ago Calif. was the place to be. Opportunity was unlimited, great mountains , coast , desert etc.... one of the largest economies in the world.
Crazy wealth......
Now it is transitioning into third world before our eyes..... great job Dems
Originally Posted by Judman
PS, if you think Trump is “good” you’re way stupider than I thought! Haha
Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit.
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Liberals can and do screw up everything they touch! 50 years ago Calif. was the place to be. Opportunity was unlimited, great mountains , coast , desert etc.... one of the largest economies in the world.
Crazy wealth......
Now it is transitioning into third world before our eyes..... great job Dems All the leaves are brown (all the leaves are brown) And the sky is grey (and the sky is grey) I've been for a walk (I've been for a walk) On a winter's day (on a winter's day) I'd be safe and warm (I'd be safe and warm) If I was in L.A. (if I was in L.A.) California dreamin' (California dreamin') On such a winter's day Stopped into a church I passed along the way Well, I got down on my knees (got down on my knees) And I pretend to pray (I pretend to pray) You know the preacher like the cold (preacher like the cold) He knows I'm gonna stay (knows I'm gonna stay) California dreamin' (California dreamin') On such a winter's day All the leaves are brown (all the leaves are brown) And the sky is grey (and the sky is grey) I've…
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Just seems odd to me. Other than an occasional blown transformer or tree taking down a line, I've never heard of power lines that were just sitting there causing a fire. Now lightning, car wrecks, railroads, or maybe a Boy Scout, yes. Is this something a politician thought up or what?
One would think high income folks down in those zones would carry some insurance.
As to the most significant impact, business essentially shuts down. One can't purchase anything or buy fuel. I suppose every office worker will spend the day sitting in the dark looking at their blank computer screen. The expense of a shutdown like that should easily cover the cost of a potential fire.
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Tonight will probably be the first time most of them have ever seen a sky full of stars. Sad really.
For even when we were with you, we gave you this rule: "If a man will not work, he shall not eat."
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