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I agree with 30338. Gonna be hard to reload when Berger factory 135 classic hunter ammo shoots so well. Here’s the first 6 shots out of my Creed, first 3 shot group on the right and second 3 shot group on left. Then the last 5 shots for the day did this
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Dang Marty, Things are going pretty good when a flyer is only about a 1/4” out of the main group!
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Dang Marty, Things are going pretty good when a flyer is only about a 1/4” out of the main group! Blind squirrel, ya know? 😉
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I didn't go back all the way through this thread, but I'm always looking to try something new. My most accurate Creedmoor loads have been with H4350 and W760 powder, and I really see no reason to try anything different, except for the lack of nothing better to do. So, I'm on the Alliant site looking up data, and all I can find is data using R16 powder for the 120-140 hunting bullets that I shoot. Nothing on R26 that some of you are talking about.
My question.......who has used R16, and what results did you get?
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I didn't go back all the way through this thread, but I'm always looking to try something new. My most accurate Creedmoor loads have been with H4350 and W760 powder, and I really see no reason to try anything different, except for the lack of nothing better to do. So, I'm on the Alliant site looking up data, and all I can find is data using R16 powder for the 120-140 hunting bullets that I shoot. Nothing on R26 that some of you are talking about.
My question.......who has used R16, and what results did you get? I loaded some 120's/RL 16 for my brother. [Linked Image]
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I didn't go back all the way through this thread, but I'm always looking to try something new. My most accurate Creedmoor loads have been with H4350 and W760 powder, and I really see no reason to try anything different, except for the lack of nothing better to do. So, I'm on the Alliant site looking up data, and all I can find is data using R16 powder for the 120-140 hunting bullets that I shoot. Nothing on R26 that some of you are talking about.
My question.......who has used R16, and what results did you get? Not being a smartass, but if you'll read through the thread you will find many answers to your question.
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Was raining today, so the ProChrono didn't get brought out, but I think the RL26 may indeed be the ticket. Hornady brass, CCI200, and the 143ELD-X over 47 and 48 grains both shot around a half inch at 100yds. No pressure signs at 70F. Bergara HMR. 2.855" OAL. Not bad for a used factory rifle and cheap brass.
Got around to shooting this load over a Magnetospeed today. Makes 2,760fps from a 21" barrel with 47.5gr. It'll be what I hunt this year in that Bergara. Shot it in the 70F morning with chrono and then the kids shot it later at 90F+ with no pressure/accuracy problems, so it's apparently not at redline.
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I didn't go back all the way through this thread, but I'm always looking to try something new. My most accurate Creedmoor loads have been with H4350 and W760 powder, and I really see no reason to try anything different, except for the lack of nothing better to do. So, I'm on the Alliant site looking up data, and all I can find is data using R16 powder for the 120-140 hunting bullets that I shoot. Nothing on R26 that some of you are talking about.
My question.......who has used R16, and what results did you get? Berger shows loads with RL26 45 grains to 49.8 for 2977 with their 135 Classic Hunter. Just yesterday 47 grains of RL 26 and a Barnes 127 LRX @ 2.800 gave me 2915 FPS and 3/4 inch 5 shot groups in my Creed. JME!
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I didn't go back all the way through this thread, but I'm always looking to try something new. My most accurate Creedmoor loads have been with H4350 and W760 powder, and I really see no reason to try anything different, except for the lack of nothing better to do. So, I'm on the Alliant site looking up data, and all I can find is data using R16 powder for the 120-140 hunting bullets that I shoot. Nothing on R26 that some of you are talking about.
My question.......who has used R16, and what results did you get? Berger shows loads with RL26 45 grains to 49.8 for 2977 with their 135 Classic Hunter. Just yesterday 47 grains of RL 26 and a Barnes 127 LRX @ 2.800 gave me 2915 FPS and 3/4 inch 5 shot groups in my Creed. JME! I have never seen the need for the Barnes, for deer, but that is a great load for the 127. It is what I would use, if I was going to hunt elk with the Creed.
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I didn't go back all the way through this thread, but I'm always looking to try something new. My most accurate Creedmoor loads have been with H4350 and W760 powder, and I really see no reason to try anything different, except for the lack of nothing better to do. So, I'm on the Alliant site looking up data, and all I can find is data using R16 powder for the 120-140 hunting bullets that I shoot. Nothing on R26 that some of you are talking about.
My question.......who has used R16, and what results did you get? Berger shows loads with RL26 45 grains to 49.8 for 2977 with their 135 Classic Hunter. Just yesterday 47 grains of RL 26 and a Barnes 127 LRX @ 2.800 gave me 2915 FPS and 3/4 inch 5 shot groups in my Creed. JME! I have never seen the need for the Barnes, for deer, but that is a great load for the 127. It is what I would use, if I was going to hunt elk with the Creed. Wish that was the case here ,non lead ammo only in Ca. Welcome to the Land of no milk and no honey,
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Hello folks. I have skimmed through the many pages of posts here and didn't see that anyone was loading lighter weight bullets. My Hawkeye Predator has shown early promise with 100 grain ballistic tips. Looking at the 107 Match King I can get nearly the same muzzle velocity with it that I can the 100 grain BT but with a .445 BC as opposed to a .350. Since my Tikka is going to be dialed with heavier bullets, I'd like to train this one with lighter bullets.
Looking at charts it looks like the 107 TMK started at 3200 will fly appreciably flatter out to 600 yards than the 140 Nosler BT started at 2800. My manual doesn't have data for the newer ultra high BC bullets that have come out recently.
What do you have for data for the lighter bullets?
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It seems to me that most of the posts here are more about using hunting bullets as opposed to target projectiles. That's fine, because the Creed is a pretty handy hunting cartridge. But I use mine as it was intended to be used; as a long range target cartridge. The rifle is a Savage 12 LRP with a Vortex Golden Eagle scope. I mainly shoot 500m benchrest with it. I'd been playing with Hornady bullets and then switched to Berger 140gn VLDs. I got good results from them but supply of the Bergers became a problem, so I changed again, this time to Nosler RDF, but went to the 130gn model. My load is 42.9gn H4350, Hornady brass, and CCI large rifle primers. I'm getting those RDF's out at 2,920fps with no signs of pressure, and getting sub 3inch groups at 500m. There was quite a few people on the Creedmoor forum who had trouble with fliers using the 140gn RDF with some believing the bullet didn't seem to like the 8 twist, and it was this that made me consider going to the 130gn RDF. So far it's working, and the RDF don't appear to be fussy about seating depth. Mine are seated to 70thou off the lands.
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I've found that the Reloder 16 Data for the creedmoor is very good on the alliant website. They don't have every bullet listed, but enough good ones to figure things out.
I can't get the Sierra Gamechanger to shoot in my Creedmoor, tried two different barrels OCW from 2500-2900 FPS and all COAL variables... Even when single feeding long ones they still won't shoot. Everything else shoots 1/4". Out of my 260 rem they shoot in the 1's and 2's.
Haven't yet read about anyone getting these things to shoot better then 1 MOA in the Creedmoor, and a lot of people are struggling to get better than 2 MOA. What's the deal?
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Hello folks. I have skimmed through the many pages of posts here and didn't see that anyone was loading lighter weight bullets. My Hawkeye Predator has shown early promise with 100 grain ballistic tips. Looking at the 107 Match King I can get nearly the same muzzle velocity with it that I can the 100 grain BT but with a .445 BC as opposed to a .350. Since my Tikka is going to be dialed with heavier bullets, I'd like to train this one with lighter bullets.
Looking at charts it looks like the 107 TMK started at 3200 will fly appreciably flatter out to 600 yards than the 140 Nosler BT started at 2800. My manual doesn't have data for the newer ultra high BC bullets that have come out recently.
What do you have for data for the lighter bullets? 123 Scenar over Varget is a great combo for all around use, WT's, etc. That's about as light as I want to go. Those may be the thing for the LR target shooter, not my game.. Still interesting stuff. DF
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I've found that the Reloder 16 Data for the creedmoor is very good on the alliant website. They don't have every bullet listed, but enough good ones to figure things out.
I can't get the Sierra Gamechanger to shoot in my Creedmoor, tried two different barrels OCW from 2500-2900 FPS and all COAL variables... Even when single feeding long ones they still won't shoot. Everything else shoots 1/4". Out of my 260 rem they shoot in the 1's and 2's.
Haven't yet read about anyone getting these things to shoot better then 1 MOA in the Creedmoor, and a lot of people are struggling to get better than 2 MOA. What's the deal?
Include me on the list of not being able to get the Sierras to shoot, at all. They are paper weights now.
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I've found that the Reloder 16 Data for the creedmoor is very good on the alliant website. They don't have every bullet listed, but enough good ones to figure things out.
I can't get the Sierra Gamechanger to shoot in my Creedmoor, tried two different barrels OCW from 2500-2900 FPS and all COAL variables... Even when single feeding long ones they still won't shoot. Everything else shoots 1/4". Out of my 260 rem they shoot in the 1's and 2's.
Haven't yet read about anyone getting these things to shoot better then 1 MOA in the Creedmoor, and a lot of people are struggling to get better than 2 MOA. What's the deal?
Include me on the list of not being able to get the Sierras to shoot, at all. They are paper weights now. I found the Gamechangers shoot great in my Tikka 6.5 using H4350.
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