I haven't studied anything but I have read some things. I do know that my stomach differs quite a lot from a ruminant's. I think we were built to be able to digest a lot of different things. I also think we can benefit from a healthy diet of meat, vegetables and dairy products as long as we eat moderately and don't overdo. The problem with modern man is we tend to over eat. We have access to far to many unhealthy junk foods. We tend to not get enough exercise. In other words we live a lifestyle that leads to being overweight.
We can each have a lifestyle that fits our own needs and works for ourselves. There isn't a set plan for everyone. Roy found something that works for him and that's great. It's up to us all to find that thing that works for us. It is more of a lifestyle thing because it's not just about loosing the weight. It's more about how to keep it off once you've lost it.
This^
I admire the determination you have, RHC, and if you want to wear banana leaf clothing and eat it later for dinner, go for it! I think what is getting JStuart riled up is when you say everyone just become a vegan like me because Netflix, studies, ivy league eggspurts all say - meat dairy bad, plant good. Funny thing is the vegetarian diet is a horrible choice for some as is a strict early Atkins diet, but works for great for others; problem is both are pretty extreme on the bell curve. My family members have terrible gut problems and allergic reactions to the majority of grain based products, along with other reactions to nuts, shellfish, tomatoes, etc. They do great on meats and most other whole/cooked veggies and fruits - so both vegetarian and atkins fad diets are out for us. What do you say about someone like my grandmother 4'11'' 87lbs who lived on beer and cheese alone for the last 11 years of her life and died at an early age of 96? Or my friend that smoked 2 packs a day, mopped up his bacon with grease and biscuits and full of piss and vinegar until 87? Then there is my neighbor's daughter, who is a vegan and she has become anemic since going on the diet, is in a constant sluggish and deprived state but won't quit because she thinks she's saving the earth, impeaching trump and establishing socialism by doing so...
I really believe the common denominator here is the processed garbage Americans eat is bad news, but we are all genetically prone to differences that a one sized fits all approach is a poor choice for most. Continue on your path to leading a healthy existence and if all plants works for you then go for it. Just don't fall for the Vegan cult preaching, I believe you'll be lead down the path of annoyance and irritability if you do so.
I haven't studied anything but I have read some things. I do know that my stomach differs quite a lot from a ruminant's. I think we were built to be able to digest a lot of different things. I also think we can benefit from a healthy diet of meat, vegetables and dairy products as long as we eat moderately and don't overdo. The problem with modern man is we tend to over eat. We have access to far to many unhealthy junk foods. We tend to not get enough exercise. In other words we live a lifestyle that leads to being overweight.
We can each have a lifestyle that fits our own needs and works for ourselves. There isn't a set plan for everyone. Roy found something that works for him and that's great. It's up to us all to find that thing that works for us. It is more of a lifestyle thing because it's not just about loosing the weight. It's more about how to keep it off once you've lost it.
This^
I admire the determination you have, RHC, and if you want to wear banana leaf clothing and eat it later for dinner, go for it! I think what is getting JStuart riled up is when you say everyone just become a vegan like me because Netflix, studies, ivy league eggspurts all say - meat dairy bad, plant good. Funny thing is the vegetarian diet is a horrible choice for some as is a strict early Atkins diet, but works for great for others; problem is both are pretty extreme on the bell curve. My family members have terrible gut problems and allergic reactions to the majority of grain based products, along with other reactions to nuts, shellfish, tomatoes, etc. They do great on meats and most other whole/cooked veggies and fruits - so both vegetarian and atkins fad diets are out for us. What do you say about someone like my grandmother 4'11'' 87lbs who lived on beer and cheese alone for the last 11 years of her life and died at an early age of 96? Or my friend that smoked 2 packs a day, mopped up his bacon with grease and biscuits and full of piss and vinegar until 87? Then there is my neighbor's daughter, who is a vegan and she has become anemic since going on the diet, is in a constant sluggish and deprived state but won't quit because she thinks she's saving the earth, impeaching trump and establishing socialism by doing so...
I really believe the common denominator here is the processed garbage Americans eat is bad news, but we are all genetically prone to differences that a one sized fits all approach is a poor choice for most. Continue on your path to leading a healthy existence and if all plants works for you then go for it. Just don't fall for the Vegan cult preaching, I believe you'll be lead down the path of annoyance and irritability if you do so.
God bless Texas----------------------- Old 300 I will remain what i am until the day I die- A HUNTER......Sitting Bull Its not how you pick the booger.. but where you put it !! Roger V Hunter
Looks like RH doesn't want to answer the question about the vegan documentary What the Health? I suspect it is because he clings to it, as so many do, as the gospel. Whether he clings to it or not, its assertions are in line with mainstream vegan mentality. Since he has avoided posting links to any of the "science" that he has bought into, we'll assume that it's the same as that in What The Health.
I Googled "What The Health Documentary" Half the first page hits debunked the junk that is mainstream vegan "science."
The documentary has drawn criticism from many, including scientific skeptics, who contend that it misrepresents facts:
On July 3, 2017, medical doctor and founder of Turntable Health, Zubin Damania, acting in his ZDoggMD persona, reviewed What the Health on his YouTube channel. Damania agreed with the documentary's assertion that a diet heavy in processed food was associated with negative health effects[17]:0:50 and that the Food and Drug Administration sometimes offered "stupid nutrition recommendations" regarding recommending a uniform solution for everyone.[17]:9:35 However, he also commented in detail on what he characterized as frequent confirmation bias and cherry-picking of selected data, as well as the oversimplification of complex health issues and rampant misinformation which he observed in the documentary.[17]:5:40 He also highlighted what he saw as the ridiculous claim made of "institutionalized racism" on the part of the dairy industry.[17]:9:00 Damania concluded in exasperation: "that was the stupidest [expletive] thing I've ever seen... I feel like I've lost [expletive] brain cells".[17] Joel Kahn, a cardiologist featured in the film, responded to ZDoggMD's video via a Medium article titled "Why ZDoggMD and His Toilet Humor Are Best Flushed and Forgotten".[18] On July 11, 2017, medical doctor and scientific skeptic Harriet Hall, known as the SkepDoc, reviewed the documentary on Science-Based Medicine. Her opinion was summarized as follows: "What the Health espouses the fairy tale that all major diseases... can be prevented and cured by eliminating meat and dairy from the diet. It is a blatant polemic for veganism, biased and misleading, and is not a reliable source of scientific information." At the end of her article she concludes by asserting positive aspects of a plant based diet with "There are undisputed health advantages to a plant-based diet ..." and "We as a society should eat more plant foods ..." but counterpoints this with "... the evidence is insufficient to recommend that everyone adopt a vegan diet" and "we needn’t entirely reject all animal foods". Finally, she recommends moderation in all things.[19] On July 20, 2017, emeritus professor in nutrition Martijn Katan from Vrije Universiteit Amsterdam called the film "propaganda", which exaggerates the health risks of meat, eggs and dairy, and rather dangerously claims veganism prevents or cures just about any disease, like cancer or diabetes. However, he stressed that everyone should eat less meat than the population currently does on average, and that going completely vegan can be a healthy lifestyle if you make sure you get all nutrients you need (though this is hard to do for young children, for whom he did not recommend a vegan diet) and it's also good for the environment.[20] Sarah Berry, Lifestyle Health Editor for The Sydney Morning Herald commented that "What the Health does make some valid points including concerns about the influence of Big Food on dietary recommendations and about poor farming practices, which can be both inhumane and bad for the planet," adding that "The makers cherry-pick science, use biased sources, distort study findings and use 'weak-to-non-existent data ...'" Berry quoted Dr. Joanna McMillan as saying that "To me it's the usual product of those who are filmmakers and not nutrition scientists or trained in any aspect of medicine or science, therefore not trained or qualified to make sense of scientific research."[21] In a review of the film, investigative journalist Nina Teicholz on DietDoctor.com praised the filmmakers' skills of persuasion, but concluded that the film's claims are not backed by scientific evidence.[22] On August 8, 2017, writing for Quartz, Chase Purdy said that "By cherry-picking nutrition studies to make rickety claims, the makers of What the Health risk ratcheting up fear of certain foods based on weak science. It’s not a responsible way to try and change people’s behavior, and it does a disservice to nutritional scientists in the field."
Paul,I didn't post any links because I didn't want to turn the discussion into a "look at this" argument. there's plenty of data to look at on either side of the argument. I don't even want an argument. I just hope everyone will search the truth for themselves. That's what I am doing and the only thing I am encouraging anyone to do.
I will say that I think anyone would be an idiot to look at only a few sources and make a decision that changes their life.
So you watched it and liked it. Just know it is so much poppycock like much of vegan "science."
Meat and dairy in moderation, when combined with an otherwise balanced diet, exercise, maintaining a healthy weight and managing blood pressure is perfectly healthy. Science has not shown otherwise and never will. Had you employed such a diet and lifestyle over the whole of your life, we wouldn't be having this conversation right now.
I haven't studied anything but I have read some things. I do know that my stomach differs quite a lot from a ruminant's. I think we were built to be able to digest a lot of different things. I also think we can benefit from a healthy diet of meat, vegetables and dairy products as long as we eat moderately and don't overdo. The problem with modern man is we tend to over eat. We have access to far to many unhealthy junk foods. We tend to not get enough exercise. In other words we live a lifestyle that leads to being overweight.
We can each have a lifestyle that fits our own needs and works for ourselves. There isn't a set plan for everyone. Roy found something that works for him and that's great. It's up to us all to find that thing that works for us. It is more of a lifestyle thing because it's not just about loosing the weight. It's more about how to keep it off once you've lost it.
This^
I admire the determination you have, RHC, and if you want to wear banana leaf clothing and eat it later for dinner, go for it! I think what is getting JStuart riled up is when you say everyone just become a vegan like me because Netflix, studies, ivy league eggspurts all say - meat dairy bad, plant good. Funny thing is the vegetarian diet is a horrible choice for some as is a strict early Atkins diet, but works for great for others; problem is both are pretty extreme on the bell curve. My family members have terrible gut problems and allergic reactions to the majority of grain based products, along with other reactions to nuts, shellfish, tomatoes, etc. They do great on meats and most other whole/cooked veggies and fruits - so both vegetarian and atkins fad diets are out for us. What do you say about someone like my grandmother 4'11'' 87lbs who lived on beer and cheese alone for the last 11 years of her life and died at an early age of 96? Or my friend that smoked 2 packs a day, mopped up his bacon with grease and biscuits and full of piss and vinegar until 87? Then there is my neighbor's daughter, who is a vegan and she has become anemic since going on the diet, is in a constant sluggish and deprived state but won't quit because she thinks she's saving the earth, impeaching trump and establishing socialism by doing so...
I really believe the common denominator here is the processed garbage Americans eat is bad news, but we are all genetically prone to differences that a one sized fits all approach is a poor choice for most. Continue on your path to leading a healthy existence and if all plants works for you then go for it. Just don't fall for the Vegan cult preaching, I believe you'll be lead down the path of annoyance and irritability if you do so.
Different people have different metabolisms. Some folks cannot gain a pound if they ate ice cream for every mean, other's seem to gain almost at the sight of it. I've always been the latter wishing for the former. Wishing doesn't work, either.
We may know the time Ben Carson lied, but does anyone know the time Hillary Clinton told the truth?
Immersing oneself in progressive lieberalism is no different than bathing in the sewage of Hell.
Until it turned toxic I found the topic interesting and the "OPINIONS" varied. RHC has, over time, made several frank and revealing posts charting his journey from a morbidly obese walking dead man to a healthy, much happier person. He is self motivated and tenacious, attributes that I admire. This site's greatest value is the power of varied knowledge and experience concentrated in one place.
For a point of reference, note that the OP was worded as a question, I heard no sermon nor felt that i was being proselytized. Good health and an active lifestyle is a worthy goal and one shared by many of us.
mike r
Don't wish it were easier Wish you were better
Stab them in the taint, you can't put a tourniquet on that. Craig Douglas ECQC
Looks like RH doesn't want to answer the question about the vegan documentary What the Health? I suspect it is because he clings to it, as so many do, as the gospel. Whether he clings to it or not, its assertions are in line with mainstream vegan mentality. Since he has avoided posting links to any of the "science" that he has bought into, we'll assume that it's the same as that in What The Health.
I Googled "What The Health Documentary" Half the first page hits debunked the junk that is mainstream vegan "science."
The documentary has drawn criticism from many, including scientific skeptics, who contend that it misrepresents facts:
On July 3, 2017, medical doctor and founder of Turntable Health, Zubin Damania, acting in his ZDoggMD persona, reviewed What the Health on his YouTube channel. Damania agreed with the documentary's assertion that a diet heavy in processed food was associated with negative health effects[17]:0:50 and that the Food and Drug Administration sometimes offered "stupid nutrition recommendations" regarding recommending a uniform solution for everyone.[17]:9:35 However, he also commented in detail on what he characterized as frequent confirmation bias and cherry-picking of selected data, as well as the oversimplification of complex health issues and rampant misinformation which he observed in the documentary.[17]:5:40 He also highlighted what he saw as the ridiculous claim made of "institutionalized racism" on the part of the dairy industry.[17]:9:00 Damania concluded in exasperation: "that was the stupidest [expletive] thing I've ever seen... I feel like I've lost [expletive] brain cells".[17] Joel Kahn, a cardiologist featured in the film, responded to ZDoggMD's video via a Medium article titled "Why ZDoggMD and His Toilet Humor Are Best Flushed and Forgotten".[18] On July 11, 2017, medical doctor and scientific skeptic Harriet Hall, known as the SkepDoc, reviewed the documentary on Science-Based Medicine. Her opinion was summarized as follows: "What the Health espouses the fairy tale that all major diseases... can be prevented and cured by eliminating meat and dairy from the diet. It is a blatant polemic for veganism, biased and misleading, and is not a reliable source of scientific information." At the end of her article she concludes by asserting positive aspects of a plant based diet with "There are undisputed health advantages to a plant-based diet ..." and "We as a society should eat more plant foods ..." but counterpoints this with "... the evidence is insufficient to recommend that everyone adopt a vegan diet" and "we needn’t entirely reject all animal foods". Finally, she recommends moderation in all things.[19] On July 20, 2017, emeritus professor in nutrition Martijn Katan from Vrije Universiteit Amsterdam called the film "propaganda", which exaggerates the health risks of meat, eggs and dairy, and rather dangerously claims veganism prevents or cures just about any disease, like cancer or diabetes. However, he stressed that everyone should eat less meat than the population currently does on average, and that going completely vegan can be a healthy lifestyle if you make sure you get all nutrients you need (though this is hard to do for young children, for whom he did not recommend a vegan diet) and it's also good for the environment.[20] Sarah Berry, Lifestyle Health Editor for The Sydney Morning Herald commented that "What the Health does make some valid points including concerns about the influence of Big Food on dietary recommendations and about poor farming practices, which can be both inhumane and bad for the planet," adding that "The makers cherry-pick science, use biased sources, distort study findings and use 'weak-to-non-existent data ...'" Berry quoted Dr. Joanna McMillan as saying that "To me it's the usual product of those who are filmmakers and not nutrition scientists or trained in any aspect of medicine or science, therefore not trained or qualified to make sense of scientific research."[21] In a review of the film, investigative journalist Nina Teicholz on DietDoctor.com praised the filmmakers' skills of persuasion, but concluded that the film's claims are not backed by scientific evidence.[22] On August 8, 2017, writing for Quartz, Chase Purdy said that "By cherry-picking nutrition studies to make rickety claims, the makers of What the Health risk ratcheting up fear of certain foods based on weak science. It’s not a responsible way to try and change people’s behavior, and it does a disservice to nutritional scientists in the field."
Paul,I didn't post any links because I didn't want to turn the discussion into a "look at this" argument. there's plenty of data to look at on either side of the argument. I don't even want an argument. I just hope everyone will search the truth for themselves. That's what I am doing and the only thing I am encouraging anyone to do.
I will say that I think anyone would be an idiot to look at only a few sources and make a decision that changes their life.
So you watched it and liked it. Just know it is so much poppycock like much of vegan "science."
Meat and dairy in moderation, when combined with an otherwise balanced diet, exercise, maintaining a healthy weight and managing blood pressure is perfectly healthy. Science has not shown otherwise and never will. Had you employed such a diet and lifestyle over the whole of your life, we wouldn't be having this conversation right now.
Well [bleep],I could have saved myself a lot of trouble if I had just asked you what to do 15 months ago.
Looks like RH doesn't want to answer the question about the vegan documentary What the Health? I suspect it is because he clings to it, as so many do, as the gospel. Whether he clings to it or not, its assertions are in line with mainstream vegan mentality. Since he has avoided posting links to any of the "science" that he has bought into, we'll assume that it's the same as that in What The Health.
I Googled "What The Health Documentary" Half the first page hits debunked the junk that is mainstream vegan "science."
The documentary has drawn criticism from many, including scientific skeptics, who contend that it misrepresents facts:
On July 3, 2017, medical doctor and founder of Turntable Health, Zubin Damania, acting in his ZDoggMD persona, reviewed What the Health on his YouTube channel. Damania agreed with the documentary's assertion that a diet heavy in processed food was associated with negative health effects[17]:0:50 and that the Food and Drug Administration sometimes offered "stupid nutrition recommendations" regarding recommending a uniform solution for everyone.[17]:9:35 However, he also commented in detail on what he characterized as frequent confirmation bias and cherry-picking of selected data, as well as the oversimplification of complex health issues and rampant misinformation which he observed in the documentary.[17]:5:40 He also highlighted what he saw as the ridiculous claim made of "institutionalized racism" on the part of the dairy industry.[17]:9:00 Damania concluded in exasperation: "that was the stupidest [expletive] thing I've ever seen... I feel like I've lost [expletive] brain cells".[17] Joel Kahn, a cardiologist featured in the film, responded to ZDoggMD's video via a Medium article titled "Why ZDoggMD and His Toilet Humor Are Best Flushed and Forgotten".[18] On July 11, 2017, medical doctor and scientific skeptic Harriet Hall, known as the SkepDoc, reviewed the documentary on Science-Based Medicine. Her opinion was summarized as follows: "What the Health espouses the fairy tale that all major diseases... can be prevented and cured by eliminating meat and dairy from the diet. It is a blatant polemic for veganism, biased and misleading, and is not a reliable source of scientific information." At the end of her article she concludes by asserting positive aspects of a plant based diet with "There are undisputed health advantages to a plant-based diet ..." and "We as a society should eat more plant foods ..." but counterpoints this with "... the evidence is insufficient to recommend that everyone adopt a vegan diet" and "we needn’t entirely reject all animal foods". Finally, she recommends moderation in all things.[19] On July 20, 2017, emeritus professor in nutrition Martijn Katan from Vrije Universiteit Amsterdam called the film "propaganda", which exaggerates the health risks of meat, eggs and dairy, and rather dangerously claims veganism prevents or cures just about any disease, like cancer or diabetes. However, he stressed that everyone should eat less meat than the population currently does on average, and that going completely vegan can be a healthy lifestyle if you make sure you get all nutrients you need (though this is hard to do for young children, for whom he did not recommend a vegan diet) and it's also good for the environment.[20] Sarah Berry, Lifestyle Health Editor for The Sydney Morning Herald commented that "What the Health does make some valid points including concerns about the influence of Big Food on dietary recommendations and about poor farming practices, which can be both inhumane and bad for the planet," adding that "The makers cherry-pick science, use biased sources, distort study findings and use 'weak-to-non-existent data ...'" Berry quoted Dr. Joanna McMillan as saying that "To me it's the usual product of those who are filmmakers and not nutrition scientists or trained in any aspect of medicine or science, therefore not trained or qualified to make sense of scientific research."[21] In a review of the film, investigative journalist Nina Teicholz on DietDoctor.com praised the filmmakers' skills of persuasion, but concluded that the film's claims are not backed by scientific evidence.[22] On August 8, 2017, writing for Quartz, Chase Purdy said that "By cherry-picking nutrition studies to make rickety claims, the makers of What the Health risk ratcheting up fear of certain foods based on weak science. It’s not a responsible way to try and change people’s behavior, and it does a disservice to nutritional scientists in the field."
Paul,I didn't post any links because I didn't want to turn the discussion into a "look at this" argument. there's plenty of data to look at on either side of the argument. I don't even want an argument. I just hope everyone will search the truth for themselves. That's what I am doing and the only thing I am encouraging anyone to do.
I will say that I think anyone would be an idiot to look at only a few sources and make a decision that changes their life.
So you watched it and liked it. Just know it is so much poppycock like much of vegan "science."
Meat and dairy in moderation, when combined with an otherwise balanced diet, exercise, maintaining a healthy weight and managing blood pressure is perfectly healthy. Science has not shown otherwise and never will. Had you employed such a diet and lifestyle over the whole of your life, we wouldn't be having this conversation right now.
Well [bleep],I could have saved myself a lot of trouble if I had just asked you what to do 15 months ago.
No, you did exactly the right thing 15 months ago, and I commend you for it. I am truly happy for you. Now if you had asked me 30 years ago, then that's a different story.
Looks like RH doesn't want to answer the question about the vegan documentary What the Health? I suspect it is because he clings to it, as so many do, as the gospel. Whether he clings to it or not, its assertions are in line with mainstream vegan mentality. Since he has avoided posting links to any of the "science" that he has bought into, we'll assume that it's the same as that in What The Health.
I Googled "What The Health Documentary" Half the first page hits debunked the junk that is mainstream vegan "science."
The documentary has drawn criticism from many, including scientific skeptics, who contend that it misrepresents facts:
On July 3, 2017, medical doctor and founder of Turntable Health, Zubin Damania, acting in his ZDoggMD persona, reviewed What the Health on his YouTube channel. Damania agreed with the documentary's assertion that a diet heavy in processed food was associated with negative health effects[17]:0:50 and that the Food and Drug Administration sometimes offered "stupid nutrition recommendations" regarding recommending a uniform solution for everyone.[17]:9:35 However, he also commented in detail on what he characterized as frequent confirmation bias and cherry-picking of selected data, as well as the oversimplification of complex health issues and rampant misinformation which he observed in the documentary.[17]:5:40 He also highlighted what he saw as the ridiculous claim made of "institutionalized racism" on the part of the dairy industry.[17]:9:00 Damania concluded in exasperation: "that was the stupidest [expletive] thing I've ever seen... I feel like I've lost [expletive] brain cells".[17] Joel Kahn, a cardiologist featured in the film, responded to ZDoggMD's video via a Medium article titled "Why ZDoggMD and His Toilet Humor Are Best Flushed and Forgotten".[18] On July 11, 2017, medical doctor and scientific skeptic Harriet Hall, known as the SkepDoc, reviewed the documentary on Science-Based Medicine. Her opinion was summarized as follows: "What the Health espouses the fairy tale that all major diseases... can be prevented and cured by eliminating meat and dairy from the diet. It is a blatant polemic for veganism, biased and misleading, and is not a reliable source of scientific information." At the end of her article she concludes by asserting positive aspects of a plant based diet with "There are undisputed health advantages to a plant-based diet ..." and "We as a society should eat more plant foods ..." but counterpoints this with "... the evidence is insufficient to recommend that everyone adopt a vegan diet" and "we needn’t entirely reject all animal foods". Finally, she recommends moderation in all things.[19] On July 20, 2017, emeritus professor in nutrition Martijn Katan from Vrije Universiteit Amsterdam called the film "propaganda", which exaggerates the health risks of meat, eggs and dairy, and rather dangerously claims veganism prevents or cures just about any disease, like cancer or diabetes. However, he stressed that everyone should eat less meat than the population currently does on average, and that going completely vegan can be a healthy lifestyle if you make sure you get all nutrients you need (though this is hard to do for young children, for whom he did not recommend a vegan diet) and it's also good for the environment.[20] Sarah Berry, Lifestyle Health Editor for The Sydney Morning Herald commented that "What the Health does make some valid points including concerns about the influence of Big Food on dietary recommendations and about poor farming practices, which can be both inhumane and bad for the planet," adding that "The makers cherry-pick science, use biased sources, distort study findings and use 'weak-to-non-existent data ...'" Berry quoted Dr. Joanna McMillan as saying that "To me it's the usual product of those who are filmmakers and not nutrition scientists or trained in any aspect of medicine or science, therefore not trained or qualified to make sense of scientific research."[21] In a review of the film, investigative journalist Nina Teicholz on DietDoctor.com praised the filmmakers' skills of persuasion, but concluded that the film's claims are not backed by scientific evidence.[22] On August 8, 2017, writing for Quartz, Chase Purdy said that "By cherry-picking nutrition studies to make rickety claims, the makers of What the Health risk ratcheting up fear of certain foods based on weak science. It’s not a responsible way to try and change people’s behavior, and it does a disservice to nutritional scientists in the field."
Paul,I didn't post any links because I didn't want to turn the discussion into a "look at this" argument. there's plenty of data to look at on either side of the argument. I don't even want an argument. I just hope everyone will search the truth for themselves. That's what I am doing and the only thing I am encouraging anyone to do.
I will say that I think anyone would be an idiot to look at only a few sources and make a decision that changes their life.
So you watched it and liked it. Just know it is so much poppycock like much of vegan "science."
Meat and dairy in moderation, when combined with an otherwise balanced diet, exercise, maintaining a healthy weight and managing blood pressure is perfectly healthy. Science has not shown otherwise and never will. Had you employed such a diet and lifestyle over the whole of your life, we wouldn't be having this conversation right now.
Well [bleep],I could have saved myself a lot of trouble if I had just asked you what to do 15 months ago.
No, you did exactly the right thing 15 months ago, and I commend you for it. I am truly happy for you. Now if you had asked me 30 years ago, then that's a different story.
I'm not an extremist in any sense. I'm still trying to learn the healthiest diet for humans. I put vegan in the original title because it gets so many stirred up,especially old crotchety hunters. I do have major concerns about the quality of our food in this country and the diets of the general population. Much of those concerns include our meat and dairy industry. Get past all the hype and complete lies,no matter your agenda or bias,and the fact tjat we have some definite problems with the sources and quality of our food should be obvious to any thinking person.
As I stated in the original post,I'm not sure meat in and of itself is harmful. I can't take that position with any proof to back it up. Humans have consumed animal products as long as we have record. I think the problems lie more in the amount of animal products and the quality of animal products we consume now.
I do not think I was doing what was good 15 months ago VS doing something stupid now. If I did ,then I obviously wouldn't do it. I haven't completely quit meat. I'm not sure that would be healthy. I am sure that most here would do much better to examine themselves and ask themselves the same questions I have been asking for a little more than a year,and do their best to learn all they can about diet and nutrition. I do believe it is the single most important thing we can do for our health and longevity.
I'm not an extremist in any sense. I'm still trying to learn the healthiest diet for humans. I put vegan in the original title because it gets so many stirred up,especially old crotchety hunters. I do have major concerns about the quality of our food in this country and the diets of the general population. Much of those concerns include our meat and dairy industry. Get past all the hype and complete lies,no matter your agenda or bias,and the fact tjat we have some definite problems with the sources and quality of our food should be obvious to any thinking person.
As I stated in the original post,I'm not sure meat in and of itself is harmful. I can't take that position with any proof to back it up. Humans have consumed animal products as long as we have record. I think the problems lie more in the amount of animal products and the quality of animal products we consume now.
I do not think I was doing what was good 15 months ago VS doing something stupid now. If I did ,then I obviously wouldn't do it. I haven't completely quit meat. I'm not sure that would be healthy. I am sure that most here would do much better to examine themselves and ask themselves the same questions I have been asking for a little more than a year,and do their best to learn all they can about diet and nutrition. I do believe it is the single most important thing we can do for our health and longevity.
So you don't know much except that you wanted to stir up old crotchety hunters.
Fair enough, ex big fat turds should get to extol the virtues of their new religion...particularly to those who have never been big fat turds.
I'm not an extremist in any sense. I'm still trying to learn the healthiest diet for humans. I put vegan in the original title because it gets so many stirred up,especially old crotchety hunters. I do have major concerns about the quality of our food in this country and the diets of the general population. Much of those concerns include our meat and dairy industry. Get past all the hype and complete lies,no matter your agenda or bias,and the fact tjat we have some definite problems with the sources and quality of our food should be obvious to any thinking person.
As I stated in the original post,I'm not sure meat in and of itself is harmful. I can't take that position with any proof to back it up. Humans have consumed animal products as long as we have record. I think the problems lie more in the amount of animal products and the quality of animal products we consume now.
I do not think I was doing what was good 15 months ago VS doing something stupid now. If I did ,then I obviously wouldn't do it. I haven't completely quit meat. I'm not sure that would be healthy. I am sure that most here would do much better to examine themselves and ask themselves the same questions I have been asking for a little more than a year,and do their best to learn all they can about diet and nutrition. I do believe it is the single most important thing we can do for our health and longevity.
So you don't know much except that you wanted to stir up old crotchety hunters.
Fair enough, ex big fat turds should get to extol the virtues of their new religion...particularly to those who have never been big fat turds.
You repeatedly prove that you can be a turd's ejection point regardless of your physique.
mike r
Don't wish it were easier Wish you were better
Stab them in the taint, you can't put a tourniquet on that. Craig Douglas ECQC
I'm not an extremist in any sense. I'm still trying to learn the healthiest diet for humans. I put vegan in the original title because it gets so many stirred up,especially old crotchety hunters. I do have major concerns about the quality of our food in this country and the diets of the general population. Much of those concerns include our meat and dairy industry. Get past all the hype and complete lies,no matter your agenda or bias,and the fact tjat we have some definite problems with the sources and quality of our food should be obvious to any thinking person.
As I stated in the original post,I'm not sure meat in and of itself is harmful. I can't take that position with any proof to back it up. Humans have consumed animal products as long as we have record. I think the problems lie more in the amount of animal products and the quality of animal products we consume now.
I do not think I was doing what was good 15 months ago VS doing something stupid now. If I did ,then I obviously wouldn't do it. I haven't completely quit meat. I'm not sure that would be healthy. I am sure that most here would do much better to examine themselves and ask themselves the same questions I have been asking for a little more than a year,and do their best to learn all they can about diet and nutrition. I do believe it is the single most important thing we can do for our health and longevity.
So you don't know much except that you wanted to stir up old crotchety hunters.
Fair enough, ex big fat turds should get to extol the virtues of their new religion...particularly to those who have never been big fat turds.
You repeatedly prove that you can be a turd's ejection point regardless of your physique.
mike r
Not particularly interested in your point of view about this, preach at me and see how you go. Maybe that will garner some notice.
added, and before you whinge some more you may care to note that he clearly stated that it was his intention to "stir up old crotchety hunters".
Your contribution is as valuable as usual, all are appropriately impressed and intimidated.
mike r
"Intimidated" is your fancy, not mine.
But if you have a deep need to support that twit's delusions then by all means be my guest, and whilst you are at it you too can "stir up old crotchety hunters".
Once again, the prick readily admits his intent...funny how you don't seem to notice his words about that.
Just wanted to add that I considered myself an old crotchety hunter not so long ago.
Seems JSTUART has some sort of problem but I think he's always had it, so no worries guys. I like crotchety old hunters,and if what I've been through and continue to delve into can help any of them live longer then I'll keep preaching.
Eating the right foods and diet reminds me of a couple alcoholics I know that got off the bottle. They were sitting around after a few years of being sober and talking about being sober. The one finally said. Ya know this sobriety ain’t all it’s cracked up to be either. Makes me chuckle every time I think about it. Have a nice day folks. Ed k
I've only had meat on 4 days now in the last 3 months.
Just the fact that you know that shows you still have issues with food. I couldn't tell you for sure what I ate yesterday, except I know if was reasonable because that's my routine.
You've had a helluva journey and I congratulate you. Relax and enjoy the freedom of being healthy, make good choices most of the time. Keeping fit will take care of the rest.
Forgive me my nonsense, as I also forgive the nonsense of those that think they talk sense. Robert Frost
