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The problem with Libertarians is,...they have no ideology. The closest they ever came to being defined was when Ron Paul made his run in 2008 and 2012. And even then the majority of people who supported Ron Paul weren't Libertarians. They were just people who were fed up with the status quo and wanted to be represented.
To say that the Libertarian party has grown is just to say that more people are disgusted with the Democrats and Republicans. It has no leadership and it has no genuine vision. You can't even get Libertarians to agree on open or closed borders.
Basically,...although some people may demonstrate their disagreement with status quo politics by registering as a Libertarian, it's going nowhere,..regardless of the number of people who identify as Libertarian.
The movement has no genuine vision for how the country should be governed. true enough perhaps. so, what do the rino's and demo's have in mind for us workers who pay taxes to support the cause? btw, what is the cause?
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Doesn't seem to be a nickles worth of difference between the D's and R's anyway.
Really? Tell that to a Virginia gun owner. So fiscal responsibility is something to talk about? Not something to do? Kinda goes back to stop wishing it was easier....start wishing you were better. Some jackwagon third party guy no one has ever heard of cost you the election......and its his fault?
I am MAGA.
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The only cause I see gaining any momentum is Nationalism. Trump got elected because of his Nationalist rhetoric.
He hasn't quite lived up to everything he said during his campaign. But the fact remains that his "America First" Nationalist rhetoric is what generated the support for him.
,...and it's not only in the U.S.A. Nationalism is growing in Western Europe, also.
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Even today,...those people you see turning out at Trump rallies are Nationalists.
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...Actually Sycamore, you are sort of right....
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The only cause I see gaining any momentum is Nationalism. Trump got elected because of his Nationalist rhetoric.
He hasn't quite lived up to everything he said during his campaign. But the fact remains that his "America First" Nationalist rhetoric is what generated the support for him.
,...and it's not only in the U.S.A. Nationalism is growing in Western Europe, also. i agree. nationalism includes the need, and expectation of strong borderlines. among other things such as a citizenry of tax-payers, workers, and mbrs of society. it's becoming an issue of the reality that most folks know we live on earth, and we also live in countries. now that we're becoming more aware, just how best to deal with some 7.5 billion humans on the face of the earth??
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https://results.enr.clarityelections.com/KY/97213/web/#/summaryKENTUCKY STATE BOARD OF ELECTIONS VOTER TURNOUT TOTAL 42.16% Ballots Cast: 1,455,161 Registered Voters: 3,451,537
...Actually Sycamore, you are sort of right....
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now that we're becoming more aware, just how best to deal with some 7.5 billion humans on the face of the earth??
I don't think the world will have to deal with them much longer. Modern medicine has fought back several illnesses that would have been major pandemics in the past. AIDS would have cut a major swath through Africa had it not been for modern medicine,...and if those medicines were cut off today, AIDS would *still* wreck Africa. It's only a matter of time until one comes along that modern medicine can't get ahead of.
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The Republicans know they can be gutted by a Libertarian on the ballot. They will not stop lying to us on their own. They require a credible threat on election day to make them behave. They shall have it.
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This is the response from the National Libertarian Party to the butthurt people. Those of you that say the party is nothing and not growing have never been to a Libertarian Party meeting to see and hear the people that are joining. There's been a great amount of discussion about the Kentucky Governor's race since election day. Republican Matt Bevin lost his reelection to Democrat Andy Beshear by approximately 5,000 votes - while Libertarian John Hicks received over 28,000 votes.
Republican supporting organizations and conservative media spent much of yesterday accusing the Libertarian Party and Mr. Hicks of spoiling the election, and getting a Democrat elected. The consensus among supporters of Governor Bevin is that if our Party hadn't been in the race, he wouldn't have lost his bid for reelection.
There's something that needs to be made clear, for Republicans and the Media moving forward: we are a political party. We run candidates to represent voters that aren't being represented by the current system. Andy Beshear ran on a progressive, big government platform full of spending growth. Matt Bevin ran on a social conservative platform that railed against what Libertarians believe should be the function of government in our personal lives. Neither of those candidates earned the votes of over 28,000 Kentuckians.
Neither of those candidates deserved those votes. Neither of them are entitled to those votes - because neither candidate represented the voting bloc. As long as there are people looking to do the right thing, and vote for the right candidate instead of sticking to rigid partisanship in their elections, we'll be there to give them a voice. And the more that assumptions are made about those voters, the more disenfranchised they will become with the old parties. More will turn out to the ballot boxes to cast dissenting votes against the two-party system. More will recognize that our system isn't broken because of "the other side", but because of BOTH "sides."
And because of that, there WILL be more Libertarians in elected office. We won a swath of local elections on Tuesday. Libertarians are preparing to make huge changes on the local level across the country. Get ready.
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I don't think the libertarian vote is as much of a threat as some people see it.
The libertarian vote is a protest vote. The people who turn out to vote libertarian wouldn't bother to vote at all if there wasn't a libertarian on the ballot.
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I don't think the libertarian vote is as much of a threat as some people see it.
The libertarian vote is a protest vote. The people who turn out to vote libertarian wouldn't bother to vote at all if there wasn't a libertarian on the ballot. yes, either as a subset, the libertarians would show up to vote for the repubs, mostly. because they well knew they couldn't elect even the dog catcher if they block voted.
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Governor Andy Beshear (D) 49.2% 709,577 Matthew Bevin (R) 48.8% 704,388 John Hicks (L) 2.0% 28,425 100% precincts reporting
Do the math.
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You can be as much of a Republican as you want to be!!!!! Go ahead.....join the ranks of McCain, Romney etc.....if they get control of the house again along with the Senate and Whitehouse, they will do exactly what they always do.....NOTHINGH!!!!!...…….and all they actually do is work their tail of doing whatever it takes to get re elected.....in fact, their almost as much scum as Democrats!!!!! It's time to look around us and see the rest of the story.....and (Except for Trump) they stand for nothing at all...….Their handling of Obamacare is a prime example.
If you want to continue supporting this bunch of gutless politicians based on the fact that at least they aren't as destructive as Democrats then do so...… As for me.....I'll continue to vote Libertarian.....except for Trump....he has my vote tied up already.
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I agree both major parties are corrupt. They do nothing, lest for themselves! So many voters hold their nose and vote, for the least of two evils. Trump came along and upset both parties. I'll stay with Trump, not republicans! I'm my voting life republicans have been the least of the two evils. I still despise many republicans, and all democrats!
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Democrats give money to Libertarians where the Libertarians are stronger to split the Republican party. Republicans need to give to Green party to split the Dem's votes.
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Democrats give money to Libertarians where the Libertarians are stronger to split the Republican party. Republicans need to give to Green party to split the Dem's votes. agreed! Jill Stein, we can thank for 2016 results.
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The problem with Libertarians is,...they have no ideology. The closest they ever came to being defined was when Ron Paul made his run in 2008 and 2012. And even then the majority of people who supported Ron Paul weren't Libertarians. They were just people who were fed up with the status quo and wanted to be represented.
To say that the Libertarian party has grown is just to say that more people are disgusted with the Democrats and Republicans. It has no leadership and it has no genuine vision. You can't even get Libertarians to agree on open or closed borders.
Basically,...although some people may demonstrate their disagreement with status quo politics by registering as a Libertarian, it's going nowhere,..regardless of the number of people who identify as Libertarian.
The movement has no genuine vision for how the country should be governed. True.......I "identify" as a Libertarian until election day when I sigh and vote R.
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Until we become conservatives and conservatives only, We need to realize that while Democrats may be the problem......Republicans are damn well not the answer.
It seems we have a choice.....either reform the Republican party or become Libertarians!!!!! I, frankly, don't believe we can reform the current establishment and we need to send as many conservatives as we can to congress to help Trump win the all important battle.
This has to be done at the primary election level and most folks don't understand this at all. It's why I'm voting Libertarian.....at least they haven't proven to me that they are as corrupt as the two parties we currently have.
It's long past the time we hold our f------ polititions accountable.
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Quit giving in inch by inch then looking back to lament the mile behind ya and wonder how to preserve those few feet left in front of ya. They'll never stop until they're stopped. That's a fact.
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