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Re: New to mountain hunting with questions [Re: FSJeeper] #14260337 11/06/19
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Originally Posted by FSJeeper
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The Controlled Round Feed argument was won a long time ago.

The Push Feed design persists because it is cheaper to manufacture.


As ai said before, most of my rifles are CRF but this is laughable. The OP is not going on a dangerous game hunt and not going to be enaged in a shooting war.



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Re: New to mountain hunting with questions [Re: gregb] #14260525 11/06/19
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Shooting sticks and crf... I guess after nineteen years on this forum I have now officially “read everything.”


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Re: New to mountain hunting with questions [Re: gregb] #14261637 11/07/19
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Originally Posted by gregb
We haven't actually booked yet, but the hunts we are looking at are in Tajikistan. We will be hosted by a mountain village and guided by the villagers. The season runs from Nov. to Feb. I'm thinking right now we will probably hunt in Dec. As I understand it, the winters there are relatively dry, but I'm planning on snow just to be safe rather than sorry.


There's been a lot of good information already presented; so, I won't touch on those topics. This one caught my eye though. I have been to Kyrgyzstan, which borders Tajikistan on the north, 6 times. The best I can tell you is, that in my personal experience, the winter there was identical to the winter here in Montana. And, the higher you go, like here in Montana, generally speaking, the more snow there is/can be and the colder it is/can be. Enjoy your trip.

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Re: New to mountain hunting with questions [Re: FSJeeper] #14261918 11/07/19
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Originally Posted by FSJeeper


... In the mountains on wilderness hunts, I do feel the CRF bolt action rifle is the most reliable choice...

Many people feel this way. At the least, it's a classic choice. wink

Re: New to mountain hunting with questions [Re: gregb] #14263624 11/07/19
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Very useful recommendations from KC and FSJeeper, thanks to both for sharing.

As a devoted mountain hunter who suffered a heart attack motivated by coronary artery disease in 2007, I have studied the issue a lot, and seeked advise from medicine doctors specialised in the issue.

My conclusion is there is no way to predict anybody's reaction to altitude, nor is there any way to prevent it, at least to a certain degree. Men are more prone than women, and youngsters more than older people, to suffer the consequences of high altitude, and a strong cardio vascular condition might help to cope with it.

Best advise is to gain altitude slowly throughout several days of gaining altitude progressively. During these acclimatation days, sleeping at a lower altitude you have experimented during the day helps a lot. (train high sleep low they say)

Drink a lot, even if you are not thirsty. The number of times you pee, and the colour of your secretion will let you know if you are drinking enough. Drink tea better than coffee, eat lightly concentrating your ingesta on carbohydrates with alcohol drinks being absolutely restricted. Sleeping pills that act as depressors of the central nervous system are also forbidden, regardless any insomnia you may feel..

Acetazolamid is a good preventive, multi vitamin and mineral supplemment are advisable as well as some gingko biloba extract. An ibuprofene a day is a good thing too. In my mind it is more advisable than aspirine.

Should a serious problem arrise, like some indication of pulmonar or brain edema, sublingual nifedipine and dexametasone can save your life (follow your doctor's advise) but the most important thing you can do, or others can do for you is DESCEND YOU INMEDIATELY. I always carry a sat phone and a Global Rescue insurance policy for this.

It is a belief among mountain sourdoughs that antiacids help but there is no medical evidence on this. Better to say, there is medical evidence that it has no effect.

To put things in perspective, this picture is crossing a 16,400ft mountain pass while hunting Himalayan Blue Sheep in Nepal. At the back, you can see Putha Hiunchuli (23,775ft) and one of the Daulaghiris (26,795ft).

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Re: New to mountain hunting with questions [Re: gregb] #14263636 11/08/19
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"The workday is over, let's go get some beer."

"But I have to read through this thread."

"No, come drink with us."

Sigh, "OK"

I'm still here, and I'll read through this thread as soon as I can. I sent a link to this thread to my coworker who will be hunting with me. He may decide to jump in with his own questions.

Right now, people want me to go drink with them though...again.

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Re: New to mountain hunting with questions [Re: smokepole] #14266210 11/08/19
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Originally Posted by smokepole
The OP is not going on a dangerous game hunt and not going to be enaged in a shooting war.


At least I hope not, anyway.

I do have a general preference for CRF's, but I'll admit it's an emotional one. I'll happily use whatever.

I looked through this page.

https://asianmountainoutfitters.com/tajikistan/

I'm from Kansas and I know very well how a day of strong wind can take it out of you. I'm sure it's only worse at altitude. My only reservation is that I haven't ever spent time at any real altitude, but we're planning on taking care of that over the next year.

I read through the thread above and somebody mentioned Kenetrek Mountain boots. I've been seeing those come up a lot lately. But when I look around they seem to be sold out in a lot of places. Does anybody have other suggestions, just to increase my odds of finding boots in my size? I may have to resort to ordering a few pairs to my parents house, trying them all on and returning whatever doesn't fit. I was hoping to be able to try something on at the Cabelas in KC when I fly in to there in a week and a half.

I'll look into a pair of goggles, because that makes a lot of sense, and I'd planned on bringing trekking poles anyway, so that takes care of the shooting sticks. I also have a day pack that I can shoot prone over.

Thanks for the suggestions. Any more will be appreciated. I'll definitely be back in this thread

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Whatever boots you get, make sure they are AT LEAST a half size or more larger than you are used to if you will be spending any time in snow conditions. Investigate vapor barriers for your feet to keep your boots dry, especially if wearing leather boots.

Consider Sorel insulated boots.

Get a shemagh to go with those goggles.


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La Sportiva Nepal EVO GTX is my best choice.

In Europe it is considered a classic, the standard by which all others are judged.

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Originally Posted by gregb
... I may have to resort to ordering a few pairs to my parents house, trying them all on and returning whatever doesn't fit.



I had to do that a few weeks back. I ended up with a great pair o’ boots.

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Re: New to mountain hunting with questions [Re: chamois] #14266418 11/09/19
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Originally Posted by chamois


Should a serious problem arrise, like some indication of pulmonar or brain edema, sublingual nifedipine and dexametasone can save your life (follow your doctor's advise) but the most important thing you can do, or others can do for you is DESCEND YOU INMEDIATELY. I always carry a sat phone and a Global Rescue insurance policy for this.


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I was always curious how well known that was. There is ALWAYS a bottle of Dexamethasone in my pack.

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Re: New to mountain hunting with questions [Re: gregb] #14266651 11/09/19
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The OP is not going on a dangerous game hunt and not going to be enaged in a shooting war.


At least I hope not, anyway.



Well, if you're interested in the current precision bolt-action rifles our military uses, you could check them out.

Won't find many CRFs on the list, it ain't 1944 any more.......



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Re: New to mountain hunting with questions [Re: SheriffJoe] #14269535 11/10/19
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Originally Posted by SheriffJoe

Whatever boots you get, make sure they are AT LEAST a half size or more larger than you are used to if you will be spending any time in snow conditions. Investigate vapor barriers for your feet to keep your boots dry, especially if wearing leather boots.

Consider Sorel insulated boots.

I respectfully dissagree. Sorel insulated boots are IMHO the worst kind of boots if you plan to do any hiking in the snow. They are for sitting in a stand. Get boots that fit your feet properly. Vapor barriers make my feet sweat.

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Originally Posted by chamois
La Sportiva Nepal EVO GTX is my best choice.

In Europe it is considered a classic, the standard by which all others are judged.

It's been awhile since I got my mountaineering boots out of storage, so I just checked to make sure. Both pairs are Sportiva and I agree with chamois, they are IMHO the best option if you are going to spend much time hiking in snow.

You don't want those heavy Sportivas to be your only pair of boots. Also take a pair of unisulated, all leather hiking boots, as camp boots at night.

Don't forget your gaiters and lots of extra socks.

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Originally Posted by KC

Originally Posted by SheriffJoe

Whatever boots you get, make sure they are AT LEAST a half size or more larger than you are used to if you will be spending any time in snow conditions. Investigate vapor barriers for your feet to keep your boots dry, especially if wearing leather boots.

Consider Sorel insulated boots.

I respectfully dissagree. Sorel insulated boots are IMHO the worst kind of boots if you plan to do any hiking in the snow. They are for sitting in a stand. Get boots that fit your feet properly. Vapor barriers make my feet sweat.

KC





Am not talking about Sorel "1964"s or Sorel Caribous!

The Glacier XT, Alpha PacXT and Blizzard models are very well adapted to the altitude, cold and deep snow conditions. They run large in sizing. Obviously, one gets boots that fit their feet ***properly***. . . but, they better not be tight!

Naturally they are not my FIRST choice, unless very low temps and very deep snow depth. The Sorel Conquest boots would be my FIRST choice, bringing along expedition full welt gaiters or overboots.

But, ATTENTION OP! if your boots are not roomy enough to wiggle your toes in a little or BEING ABLE to add another layer of insulation...YOU risk frostbite and loss of toes!

While on the subject, OP, get a glove "system" of glove layering in spite of whatever your "guides" recommend backed up with waterproof, windproof outer layer, aka expedition mittens!

Vapor barriers, especially at altitude, prevent your boot from absorbing THAT sweat that you mention thereby reducing the insulation of the boot particularly with leather or contributing to trenchfoot if spending any time in the mountains with wet feet. Spend mucho, mucho time keeping your feet dry and wouldn't hurt to moisturize them when indoors.

IT IS EASIER TO CHANGE YOUR SOCKS TO MAINTAIN DRY FEET THAN IT IS TO DRY YOUR BOOTS PROPERLY ONCE THEY ABSORB MOISTURE.

I have had leather Sportivas (worn so much that I used to epoxy the outer sole to the midsole), Sportiva Barunste, military bunny boots, mickeymouse boots, hand crafted Italian climbing boots, plastic mountaineering boots and lately have settled on the Danner Mountain Assault boots for mixed snow, ice and rock. The Danners would be good, but don't think they'd be warm enough for someone not well experienced in that terrain.

Would not recommend mountaineering boots for a hunting expedition unless in steep terrain where they are best suited.



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But, ATTENTION OP! if your boots are not roomy enough to wiggle your toes in a little or BEING ABLE to add another layer of insulation...YOU risk frostbite and loss of toes!




That's never been a problem with my narrow, oddly shaped feet. Usually I'm more concerned with hot spots from my feet moving around inside the boots every time I take a step.

We got a little bit of altitude in over the weekend. Since we had Monday off, we decided last minute Sunday afternoon to head up to a place in the mountains not too far from here. We took a bus up to about 8100 ft. and then took the stairs (yes, stairs) up to around 8500 ft. We could have gone up around 10,000 ft. there but we turned around mostly due to time constraints. Also, because he's a little gimpy at the moment. We agreed that we have some work to do before we go hunting at 15,000 ft. No other problems though, and that's the highest altitude I've ever been at in my life outside of an airplane.

So, it looks like I might be ordering a few pairs of boots here in the next few days. Thanks for the further recommendations.

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