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Originally Posted by Timberlake
Land in Grundy Co, Iowa was valued at $10,000/acre in 2017. I believe totaled at 158 tillable acres. I know, I sold some of it.

In ten years you might be questioning that sale.


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I remember giving $450 an acre for a farm and worrying myself half sick as to whether or not I could pay for it by farming it, but I did. I cannot imagine giving $10,000 or more an acre and having to pay for it by farming it. It would be extremely hard to do.

You can't. Simple as that, not with conventional commodity crops.

Now, maybe Hemp or some niche crop. Not sure about that. I'd have problems sleeping at night if I had that much in a piece of land, planning to live out of the proceeds, pay for equipment and service the note...

Not me...

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Corn 190/bu average at $3.75/bu = $712/acre revenue for summer crop.

Im not sure about Iowa, but here we winter crop. I have barley in now.

Barley 58/bu average at $5/bu = $290/acre revenue for winter crop.





We can only get one crop a year. You have to get down to about the Mason Dixon line or a little further south to get 2 crops a year.

Also in the early 1980's I seen guys go under owing $2500 an acre for ground. Of course, they also went into debt for new tractors and equipment borrowing against that ground and their crop. We also had a Jimmy Carter embargo that was not totally resolved by the early 1980's and that hurt too. I understand there are an increasing number of farm bankruptcy's going on right now as well. It's 1982 all over again.

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That is true, although Corn was 2.00 a bushel and made about 140 bu/acre , but the real killer was 20% + interest rates for those guys who had land and equipment financed.


But, if you had any money at all you could put it in a CD for 17% like my father in law did because he was not paying on new expensive equipment and a big new house. He bought everything used, fixed it up and made it work. You can have a CD in the bank or a new tractor that depreciates every day in the barn. It's all about choices. If for some reason the price of fuel and oil goes up and inflation will follow with it along with interest rates. I don't think enough folks plan far enough ahead and it comes back to bite them.

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Where did he find CD's paying 17% rate, the best I can find is from 2.2% for one year and 2.6% for a 5 year, I am not sure if CD's even paid 17% during the Carter inflation years.

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Originally Posted by Ejp1234


Corn 190/bu average at $3.75/bu = $712/acre revenue for summer crop.

Im not sure about Iowa, but here we winter crop. I have barley in now.

Barley 58/bu average at $5/bu = $290/acre revenue for winter crop.



I know nothing about barley or what it takes to put a crop in, but the corn would probably have at least $400/acre in input.
Seed, fertilizer, chemicals, cost to put it in, cost to get it out, property taxes, cash rent. Costs me .17/bu to get it to town.
$712/acre sounds fun, but that ain't the end of it a long shot.


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The worst I head today, the blood sucking farm "management", outfit has farmers on a 80/29 split! (Blood boiling icon needed!)


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80/29 split?

Who gets the 29%?


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Should have been 80/20. What a crock!


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I had no idea what they charge.


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Originally Posted by drover
Where did he find CD's paying 17% rate, the best I can find is from 2.2% for one year and 2.6% for a 5 year, I am not sure if CD's even paid 17% during the Carter inflation years.

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I wondered the same thing. I just assumed that the decimal was misplaced and should’ve said 1.7%.

I’m no Jimmy Buffet (😁) but I don’t recall CD’s breaking 2 digit interest guarantees. I’d sure like to lock in at 17% with no risk....😉


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Where did he find CD's paying 17% rate, the best I can find is from 2.2% for one year and 2.6% for a 5 year, I am not sure if CD's even paid 17% during the Carter inflation years.

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I wondered the same thing. I just assumed that the decimal was misplaced and should’ve said 1.7%.

I’m no Jimmy Buffet (😁) but I don’t recall CD’s breaking 2 digit interest guarantees. I’d sure like to lock in at 17% with no risk....😉

I believe this is referencing interest rates in the 80s. If you ever want to see why old people are rich, check out prime interest rates in the 80s. It's like a payday loan interest today. If you get 15% interest, how can you not get rich?


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Originally Posted by drover
Where did he find CD's paying 17% rate, the best I can find is from 2.2% for one year and 2.6% for a 5 year, I am not sure if CD's even paid 17% during the Carter inflation years.

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This was 1982. Interest rates were crazy high. But, if you had money you could buy a CD that paid some really high rates as well. My father in law used to brag it up every so often. I'm pretty sure he left my mother in law a millionaire. Not bad for leaving high school in the 11th grade. He was a pretty sharp guy and could squeeze the crap right out of a buffalo nickel. He had to, he and his wife had 11 kids.

The bottom line was/is, he did not fall for the "it's got to be new and it's got to be the best " line of crap. They lived in a rented 100 year old farm house and his first tractor was an M Farmall and later he added Olivers. His tractors were green but not John Deere green.

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I paid some of that sky high interest back then, I suppose we all did. I did not think long on buying any feeder cattle.


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big (large) volumes at lowest (minimum) cost.

allow the niche and specialty producers make money too.

they can target the rich folks who don't live like the rest of us.


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Corn 190/bu average at $3.75/bu = $712/acre revenue for summer crop.

Im not sure about Iowa, but here we winter crop. I have barley in now.

Barley 58/bu average at $5/bu = $290/acre revenue for winter crop.



I know nothing about barley or what it takes to put a crop in, but the corn would probably have at least $400/acre in input.
Seed, fertilizer, chemicals, cost to put it in, cost to get it out, property taxes, cash rent. Costs me .17/bu to get it to town.
$712/acre sounds fun, but that ain't the end of it a long shot.


You do realize the definition of revenue isnt the same as profit?

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Also, I dunno wth your putting out but I was at $228/ac for inputs this year... $400/acre???

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Originally Posted by Ejp1234
Also, I dunno wth your putting out but I was at $228/ac for inputs this year... $400/acre???


EJP1234,

That $228 can not include interest, rent or debt service?


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I remember the early 80s in western Ks, neighbors of my dad who were farming were borrowing money to buy lots of land. Interest rates were mid/high teens ( thanks Jimmy).Dad was scratching his head cause “his math” said a good wheat crop could not pay the interest on the loan let alone any principle.
Long story short, the banks took back a lot of that land and dads farm is much bigger now and has been paid off for many years.
And I paid 17% on a home mortgage ( thanks Jimmy).

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ol jimmah screwed the pooch for a ton of folks.

and then along came obummer.

what a debacle.

a lesson?


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The old story is, say you buy 80 acres. You need %20 cash down, and a clear 80. The two might pay off the new 80.

That is how the banks look at it.


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