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Re: Youth Deer Rifle Hastings #14283000 11/15/19
Joined: Dec 2004 Posts: 9,743 Likes: 15 JeffA OP Campfire Outfitter
OP JeffA Campfire Outfitter Joined: Dec 2004 Posts: 9,743 Likes: 15	Originally Posted by Hastings I will use it for shots i wouldn't take with a .223. If it were me I would get a bolt action but if the kid wants an AR, by all means get him one. He is the one that is going to use it. There has been no mention of an AR to him or by him. The 243 idea has been hashed around and he is a bit apprehensive. This is beyond question a case of the adults surrounding him wanting what is best for him. Adults are more responsible and knowledgeable, right? If it were left to the kid, he'd as soon use his .410 with slugs. He's like, "I been hunting this river bottom all my life, I been shooting my .410 since I was five, it's a going to be a 4 day hunt, why change guns now". But who's gonna listen to a kid that's not even 10 yet, I mean what do they know? Originally Posted by Hastings I am sure you will teach him the value of well aimed fire vs. spray fire. He's way past that.......

Re: Youth Deer Rifle JeffA #14283056 11/15/19
Joined: Jul 2017 Posts: 1,556 Vermont champlain_islander Campfire Regular
champlain_islander Campfire Regular Joined: Jul 2017 Posts: 1,556 Vermont	Ruger American in youth size shooting a 7mm-08. Great deer caliber with a bit more punch than a .243 with fairly low recoil. Nice short lite weight gun. living the good life every day

Re: Youth Deer Rifle champlain_islander #14283078 11/15/19
Joined: Mar 2016 Posts: 615 J JTman Campfire Regular
JTman Campfire Regular J Joined: Mar 2016 Posts: 615	Originally Posted by champlain_islander Ruger American in youth size shooting a 7mm-08. Great deer caliber with a bit more punch than a .243 with fairly low recoil. Nice short lite weight gun. My vote too... I have a Mod 70 Classic Compact in 7mm-08.... It's my favorite rifle I have, a deer killing machine. ~Molɔ̀ːn Labé Skýla~

Re: Youth Deer Rifle JeffA #14283178 11/15/19
Joined: Feb 2016 Posts: 17,821 Armpit of midwest H hookeye Campfire Ranger
hookeye Campfire Ranger H Joined: Feb 2016 Posts: 17,821 Armpit of midwest	Coworkers daughter popped an 8 pointer w her Contender carbine .30-30 this yr. Teenager and not big. Dunno what his reloads were. Her scope was my old VX3 2.5-8x Last edited by hookeye; 11/15/19.

Re: Youth Deer Rifle JeffA #14283233 11/15/19
Joined: Jan 2016 Posts: 12,025 Likes: 2 Texas R rainshot Campfire Outfitter
rainshot Campfire Outfitter R Joined: Jan 2016 Posts: 12,025 Likes: 2 Texas	Since he likes his .410 it might be prudent to take him to a Cabela's or Academy and let him pick for himself. Henry makes one in .223 and that might be fine for a slight built young man to start out with. It sounds like he is already a credible shot and ammo for the little 223 can be pretty effective if you don't let range get out of hand. Oddly the Henry weighs more than the Ruger American and I think it is offered in 223 also. If you get him involved he can make a pretty good decision for himself.

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Re: Youth Deer Rifle deadlift_dude #14283756 11/15/19
Joined: May 2004 Posts: 56,147 Likes: 11 In the Swamps DigitalDan Campfire Kahuna
DigitalDan Campfire Kahuna Joined: May 2004 Posts: 56,147 Likes: 11 In the Swamps	Originally Posted by jfruser Originally Posted by JeffA Originally Posted by Raeford Savage Axis[Jr Model], .243 That was actually being considered until the AR thought came to mind. The Savage is a tad heavier. Recoil is also one of his concerns. The lowest-recoiling sub-6lb rig before ammo & optics that I know of will be an AR-15. 5.56mm can be viable vs deer, but is not legal in many states. Newer, premium bullets make 5.56mm much more viable as a mid-sized game-getter, especially with more aggressive twists and heavier pills. Still, 5.56mm doesn't leave a lot of room for error. Which is why my daughter's AR-15 is 6.5Grendel. AR-15 in 6.5G generates MUCH less subjective recoil than an equivalent weight youth/compact bolt action in .243Win, which I also own. Originally Posted by DigitalDan If the lad is hunting anywhere near Ozello a SS break action 20 will serve purposes quite well. So will a Contender carbine in .30-30 give or take. Last thing I would pass to a son is an AR platform regardless of the chamber. Hunting is the objective, no? The former will have nasty recoil, worse than a12ga 870. BTDT, concluded that single shot youth 20ga shotguns shooting full power 20ga shot or slugs are generally a bad idea unless that youth is very beefy. The latter is no slouch on the recoil charts. My 13YO daughter begs to differ and can produce venison is support of her case. Classic behind the shoulder shot, lungs turned to chum, exit wound the size of a quarter. Lots of blood to trail. Hornady 123gr SST did the trick nicely. The deer don't care what the firearm looks like. Originally Posted by DigitalDan Quote Yes hunting is not only the objective, it's his obsession. OK, let's differentiate "hunting" from "shooting". The benchmark for a hunter is shot placement and perhaps stalking, depending on what "NW means. The .223 is an artist's cartridge, not a beginner's tool. I doubt one can do this with an AR, but it can be done with a Contender, and was.... Nice shooting and no doubt Contenders can be wonderful rifles, but your statement is hilarious. Here's another fellow posting tiny groups with an unlikely bench rest rifle: http://benchrest.com/showthread.php...00-and-200-yards&p=522354#post522354 I think you and he have quite a bit in common, what with posting bench rest competition worthy groups with unlikely implements. Takes much skill and time to make such happen. Might want to dial down the fuddery. AR-15s and AR-10s are reasonable and viable hunting tools. And the physics involved make a properly built AR-15 terrific for small, recoil-sensitive shooters. [For the record my preferred centierfire hunting rifle is a beautiful blued steel and walnut CZ550. Just used it to sink a .375H&H 270 SP through a deer last weekend. Deer had ben fatally hit with a .243Win 100gr pill, but my hunting partner did not want to let the deer just bleed out over time, so I put a finisher through the lungs & heart, managing to miss all tasty venison. That CZ550 does not group anywhere near 0.19", yet still manages to bring home meat, as the primary or backup on big game. Did I mention it is pretty?] .19" is a huge group. .091" mo better. Back in the day, before all the design morphing on the M16 began, it was a very good and reliable platform after they stopped loading them with ball powder. Among other things it was reasonably light, had good velocity, and tended to kill whatever a fella shot with it. All those points which made it a good combat weapon have been sold down the road with subsequent design evolution. The OP suggested he wanted something light. There be a number of options out there that fit that requirement other than Contenders. I don't know they are any lighter than my 5:5# .30-30 but I'm sure that a fair number could beat the 1/2" groups at 100 yds with 150 gr spitzers my little peashooter flings. A capable hunter only needs one shot. I am..........disturbed. Concerning the difference between man and the jackass: some observers hold that there isn't any. But this wrongs the jackass. -Twain

Re: Youth Deer Rifle JeffA #14283767 11/15/19
Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 22,884 D DakotaDeer Campfire Ranger
DakotaDeer Campfire Ranger D Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 22,884	He will love the AR in 223. All kids do, and most adults too. We have killed many deer here with a 223. My youngest son killed his with an AR this youth season. Carried empty with a chamber flag until we got to where we setup to shoot the deer. Why not give him what he wants?

Re: Youth Deer Rifle JeffA #14284104 11/15/19
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weagle Campfire Tracker W Joined: Feb 2001 Posts: 3,336 Sandy Springs Georgia	This would be my choice. Howa Mini action in 6.5 Grendel from Whittakers. $359 and comes with a youth and a full size stock: https://shop.whittakerguns.com/product/79783 There are 3 left as of right now.

Re: Youth Deer Rifle JeffA #14284154 11/15/19
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MtnBoomer Campfire 'Bwana M Joined: Sep 2010 Posts: 31,428 59644	Originally Posted by JeffA Originally Posted by DigitalDan Quote Yes hunting is not only the objective, it's his obsession. OK, let's differentiate "hunting" from "shooting". The benchmark for a hunter is shot placement and perhaps stalking, depending on what "NW means. The .223 is an artist's cartridge, not a beginner's tool. Pondering on the thoughts your post has spurred. NW = Mountains of Montana. I have a RAR 223 sitting here wearing a VX1 3-9x40. And a virgin single shot 7-08. Borrow one if you want. Possibly a 243 700 also. They're all shorter than adult lop but I don't have the measurements handy. My first several, bigger than rabbit, kills was with a 22-250. No regrets, it's like lightning. A Grendel AR would be a killer for years to come! "I can't be canceled, because, I don't give a fuuck!" --- Kid Rock 2022 Holocaust Deniers, the ultimate perverted dipchits: Bristoe, TheRealHawkeye, stophel, Ghostinthemachine, anyone else?

Re: Youth Deer Rifle JeffA #14284452 11/16/19
Joined: Apr 2008 Posts: 17,143 Likes: 4 MonDak V viking Campfire Ranger
viking Campfire Ranger V Joined: Apr 2008 Posts: 17,143 Likes: 4 MonDak	Lol. A full size, wood stock Remington 700 BDL is like a youth rifle to me. Way to short a length of pull.

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Re: Youth Deer Rifle viking #14284472 11/16/19
Joined: May 2004 Posts: 56,147 Likes: 11 In the Swamps DigitalDan Campfire Kahuna
DigitalDan Campfire Kahuna Joined: May 2004 Posts: 56,147 Likes: 11 In the Swamps	Had the same problem with my Mod 94 Trapper. Had to add a pad to so's I could shoot the dang thing properly. 6# totes easy and it has slain many critters. Foolin' around with cast bullets on the 50 yard butt. It was a covey rise in a manner of speaking. I am..........disturbed. Concerning the difference between man and the jackass: some observers hold that there isn't any. But this wrongs the jackass. -Twain

Re: Youth Deer Rifle deadlift_dude #14284494 11/16/19
Joined: May 2004 Posts: 56,147 Likes: 11 In the Swamps DigitalDan Campfire Kahuna
DigitalDan Campfire Kahuna Joined: May 2004 Posts: 56,147 Likes: 11 In the Swamps	Quote The former will have nasty recoil, worse than a12ga 870. BTDT, concluded that single shot youth 20ga shotguns shooting full power 20ga shot or slugs are generally a bad idea unless that youth is very beefy. The latter is no slouch on the recoil charts. Yeah, they are vicious bitches. First time I shot one it was a H&R back when ships were wood and I was 11.....near about 80 pounds soaking wet. That thing went BOOM and I think I cracked a couple ribs I was laffin' so hard. Anyway, the lad ain't hunting around Ozello, so it's kinda a moot point, no? Take a look at the pic below anyway. That old 37 weighs about 6.5# loaded and over the course of years has massacred about a gazoogle of birds and 70+ hogs. I am..........disturbed. Concerning the difference between man and the jackass: some observers hold that there isn't any. But this wrongs the jackass. -Twain

Re: Youth Deer Rifle JeffA #14284563 11/16/19
Joined: May 2004 Posts: 56,147 Likes: 11 In the Swamps DigitalDan Campfire Kahuna
DigitalDan Campfire Kahuna Joined: May 2004 Posts: 56,147 Likes: 11 In the Swamps	And just for chitts and giggles, this is about as good as it gets with the .30-30 Contender. It don't get worse on Sundays.... And the reason pigs don't like the short shooting Contender... My hunting country, YMMV I am..........disturbed. Concerning the difference between man and the jackass: some observers hold that there isn't any. But this wrongs the jackass. -Twain

Re: Youth Deer Rifle JeffA #14284579 11/16/19
Joined: Apr 2008 Posts: 17,143 Likes: 4 MonDak V viking Campfire Ranger
viking Campfire Ranger V Joined: Apr 2008 Posts: 17,143 Likes: 4 MonDak	Is that Nam or Florida.LOL. But then I am from ND, anywhere with more than 20 trees is a jungle to me.

Re: Youth Deer Rifle JeffA #14284584 11/16/19
Joined: Dec 2004 Posts: 3,639 Nebraska vapodog Campfire Tracker
vapodog Campfire Tracker Joined: Dec 2004 Posts: 3,639 Nebraska	I'd nix the AR idea as well...….and while the .223 is legal in some states, it's not universally legal.....yes, it'll work.....I've done it and this year will use a .218 Bee but would recommend a .243 in a compact bolt action. Does Browning still make the micro medallion?

Re: Youth Deer Rifle JeffA #14284586 11/16/19
Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 11,552 Likes: 2 lawrence county MO L ldholton Campfire Outfitter
ldholton Campfire Outfitter L Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 11,552 Likes: 2 lawrence county MO	Haven't read the whole thread so I could be repeating. Lightweight AR in a Grendel would be good my opinion better would be the Ruger American in a Grendel that takes the AR mags

Re: Youth Deer Rifle JeffA #14284596 11/16/19
Joined: Apr 2008 Posts: 17,143 Likes: 4 MonDak V viking Campfire Ranger
viking Campfire Ranger V Joined: Apr 2008 Posts: 17,143 Likes: 4 MonDak	Perhaps a mini 14 in 7.62. Flame throwers lit. LOL

Re: Youth Deer Rifle viking #14284603 11/16/19
Joined: Aug 2004 Posts: 69,648 Likes: 12 Not In The City rockinbbar Campfire Kahuna
rockinbbar Campfire Kahuna Joined: Aug 2004 Posts: 69,648 Likes: 12 Not In The City	Originally Posted by viking Perhaps a mini 14 in 7.62. Flame throwers lit. LOL Or even a Mini 30... Molɔ̀ːn Labé Skýla!

Re: Youth Deer Rifle DigitalDan #14284614 11/16/19
Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 10,282 Ohio Armednfree Campfire Outfitter
Armednfree Campfire Outfitter Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 10,282 Ohio	Quote The .223 is an artist's cartridge, not a beginner's tool. Finally someone says it like it is. A 223 is for someone with the patience to place the bullet exactly and the patience to wait until that time comes. Plus the fortitude to understand that the time may not come. Much like a 410 is an experts round, so is a 223. Why would you hand a novice something with such a small margin of error? Last edited by Armednfree; 11/16/19. The older I become the more I am convinced that the voice of honor in a man's heart is the voice of GOD.

Re: Youth Deer Rifle Armednfree #14284642 11/16/19
Joined: May 2004 Posts: 56,147 Likes: 11 In the Swamps DigitalDan Campfire Kahuna
DigitalDan Campfire Kahuna Joined: May 2004 Posts: 56,147 Likes: 11 In the Swamps	There are many options. Another tool in my kit is a rather whimsical piece that was crafted from a .22-250 700 ADL. Rebarreled by Dennis Erhardt out in MT and chambered in .250 Savage with a 10" twist. I whittled the stock down and refinished it, getting rid of all of Remington's artwork in the process. Weighs a few ounces less than 7# loaded and does fairly well for a thoughtful shooter. The top was shot with a brace of 85 gr BTs and the lower with 100 gr NPT in that order at 100 yards. I am..........disturbed. Concerning the difference between man and the jackass: some observers hold that there isn't any. But this wrongs the jackass. -Twain

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