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I've found that the POI can vary enough to notice when a rifle is held differently. For example, between resting it on a standard benchrest as against holding it in both hands, with the back of the weak hand rested and the butt against my shoulder. When I'm sighting in for hunting I use the latter, so that the POI will match up to what I'll get with an improvised rest in the field. It will also align near enough to prone unsupported or sitting. Of course for competition shooting the zeroing is done from the shooting position, and refined with the sighters before shots to count.
Sometimes the zeroing is done from a bench, holding the rifle as described. Sometimes from a rest over a vehicle bonnet ("hood") or prone behind a backpack. With a rifle which boots a bit I prefer to be standing or kneeling behind the rest, rather than sitting on a chair hunched over it.
I've never had any use for Lead Sleds, both because of concern about what they'll do to the rifle and for the reason that the POI will not match what I'll get in the field, which makes the exercise a bit pointless.
Light weight guns are even worse.
DF Thanks Guys. I’ve never had/used a sled but have considered one a few Xs. The main reason I’ve passed on them is too many have said (before this thread) that stocks have broken in the wrist OR have cracked. Now y’all have given me even more assurance in NOT getting one. Besides at +/- 70 yo, I’ve already done more shooting than I will do in the future. Besides - 2x - what I’ve BEEN doing works, so if it ain’t broke.........! I appreciate it guys. Jerry
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I like my Caldwell Tackdriver in concert with a squeeze bag under the butt.
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I just don’t understand how shooting got so complicated.
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I just don’t understand how shooting got so complicated. +1 .
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I inherited a very heavy, well made bench rest from my brother. Lately though, I've been using homemade bags filled with rubber landscaping mulch. I'm still "refining" the design, but it's working well, and is a heck of a lot easier to handle than that cast-iron monster, and doesn't leak sand, 'cause there ain't any.
The bags are re-purposed lawn-chair bags.
What fresh Hell is this?
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I have been using a lead sled for about 20 years.POI change is next to nothing and I have not broken any stocks or scopes.I use no weight on it.As far as those who think using a lead sled is less than manly,GFY.
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I have been using a lead sled for about 20 years.POI change is next to nothing and I have not broken any stocks or scopes.I use no weight on it.As far as those who think using a lead sled is less than manly,GFY. IMO, use it w/o weights, let the unit move with the gun. Don’t think you’ll get as much, if any, stock damage that way DF
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Quality shooting rest &/or sand bags.
Ive seen Lead Sleds break stocks off at the wrist. Lead Sleds are stupid.
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Quality shooting rest &/or sand bags.
Ive seen Lead Sleds break stocks off at the wrist. Lead Sleds are stupid. We’re they using weight in it?
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Quality shooting rest &/or sand bags.
Ive seen Lead Sleds break stocks off at the wrist. Lead Sleds are stupid. We’re they using weight in it? Yes
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I have been using a lead sled for about 20 years.POI change is next to nothing and I have not broken any stocks or scopes.I use no weight on it.As far as those who think using a lead sled is less than manly,GFY. Use them bare, without other weight, but to set a rock solid rest, and they work splendidly.
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I just don’t understand how shooting got so complicated. +1 . #2... Zero on the bench w/ bags, confirm at every opportunity off of pack, bag, sticks or what ever you actually use to hunt. I like to kill steel but only from the positions that I would use on critters. That is probably why I am self limited to about 500 yards on 8" diameter targets. A man has to know his limitations. mike r
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