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It just doesn't have the velocity to make bullets work. Great for punching paper but thats about it.
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A 120 grain bullet at 2400 fps does have it's limitations
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What bullets are you using? From the ballistic chart I have seen it has enough velocity to make some bullets work to 300 yards and if we go by 1000 ft lbs of energy for deer it carries that to 250 yards. I have loaded 100g NBT to 2600 fps, but can go almost 2800 fps. 2600 is where the best accuracy was though.
Saying that however, I have yet to try them on a deer. Only paper so far.
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Need more details.
Guys are using the lrab to about 400 yards or so I have heard.
It isn't energy that kills, its holes.
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This is why a lot of people go 6.8 SPC...
2,700 to 3,000 FPS gives you more room to shoot further.
If you are woods hunting though, it’s really doesn’t matter. I’m not a Gendel fan, or hater... I just built the SPC II of mine because it made sense å that the time, and I’m in pancake flat Kansas so I shoot deer out to 300 often.
Last year I took 3 does out of a string of 8 crossing the field with it - I use TTXS bullet from Barnes - they did a lot more meat damage then I thought they would have, but other wise all was well. (We can shoot 5 deer where I live due to over population so i try to thin the does out each year).
Anyway if you haven’t bought yet look at the 6.8 SPC II if you want some further shots.
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What is the difference between the 6.8 SPC and the 6.8 SPC II?
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Obviously you didn’t have your coffee this morning. It just doesn't have the velocity to make bullets work. Great for punching paper but thats about it.
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I see Rock River is making their AR in the 6.8 SPC II chamber.
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Perhaps.
The Nosler Ballistic app shows a129 ABLR started at 2450 maintains the required 1300 fps for that bullet to 925 yard. Energy is down to under 500 ft lbs. At 575 yards the energy is 804 ft lbs, enough for me, and velocity 1673.
I had a bunch of those, but sold them to a member here, prematurely it seems, since another Grendel is in the pipe. I believe that bullet is pretty popular with users of other 6.5s as well. Only 6.5 slug "in stock" here is some 100gr TTSXs, which don't look great on paper, but which I've read good things about as deer bullets. At the ranges I experience here they should be dandy, and reliable on tough stuff if needed.
Not bothering to look up the 6.8 as I did that before, and was convinced that within 200-300 yards the difference between the two was insignificant, and beyond that the Grendel starts to pull away, especially as to wind deflection. No matter to me as it's been a looong time since I was offered a shot at a deer at over 200 yards.
The market seems to have spoken in favor of the Grendel, but by all means follow your notions.
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I would think the 100 gr Nosler BT At 2800 FPS would be good to go.
I’ve yet to build one, but am still planning to do so.
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Bullets just aren't moving fast enough to reliably expand. They drill small holes in and out. Too much game wounded and lost when the shots get much past 200.
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Obviously you didn’t have your coffee this morning. It just doesn't have the velocity to make bullets work. Great for punching paper but thats about it. He's just trolling. I seriously doubt he's actually hunted with a Grendel, and wouldn't believe him if he said he did. Also, KelTec makes junk.
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It'll get a 100 grain Ballistic Tip to 300 yards at 2000 fps. Doesn't seem problematic.
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Bullets just aren't moving fast enough to reliably expand. They drill small holes in and out. Too much game wounded and lost when the shots get much past 200. Have it your way, Sunshine.🙄
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I've seen the same thing with the 6.8 with the 90gr gold dots! I myself shot a young buck at 90yds +/-, just behind the shoulder and that buck took off. Very little blood trail tracked him for a good while and caught him bedded down and finished him with a 44mag. Upon inspection the 6.8 barely expanded the deer was spotting here and there. Schit happens comes down to bullet selection. Hopefully I'll be able to take one with 6.5Gr this year.
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Maybe the Sierra TMK will upset in the 6.5 the way it does with the .223. Otherwise we need a super soft, thin jacketed 120gr spire point just for the Grendel. Way too many bullets penciling right on through otherwise.
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This thread piqued my interest. Buddy just put together a 6.5 Grendel. It shoots very well (a Bear Creek upper, of all things) with 123grn ELD Hornady Black Ammo, but he's not shot anything with it besides paper and steel out to 200.
I just ran the numbers on a berger 130 at 2350fps. Still running 1800fps at 400 yards. At sea level.
While I generally roll my eyes at threads (like this one) where the deer that was shot right through the heart got away, I will say that the 6.5 Grendel never really warmed my heart.
Necking the Grendel case down to .243 or .224, with todays bullets, seems to turn it into a different animal entirely. That'll be the way I'll roll if I ever build an AR in anything besides a .223.
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1.5x.264" = .396". That is the max size of hole the bullet will drill through an animal when partially expanded. If the bullet isn't going fast enough (2200fps minimum) for the temp cavity to tear up some serious tissue, the wound will be one long skinny .4" diameter hole. The Hornady 123 GR SST take 2200fps to fully expand to .6", and given the .252 SD, it will penetrate.
Just because a skinny bullet expands, doesn't mean it will kill quick. You're far better off with a fragmenting bullet.
As I said earlier, the 6.5 Grendel is a shlt hunting cartridge past 200 yds.
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Maybe the Sierra TMK will upset in the 6.5 the way it does with the .223. Otherwise we need a super soft, thin jacketed 120gr spire point just for the Grendel. Way too many bullets penciling right on through otherwise. Wow you are really clueless.
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