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I agree with the comments, above, on the majority of hunters...
Most hunters are just like me, and don't need a scope with exacting-elevation-settings.
Good glass and durability and holding zero can be had for 300-400 dollars.
It's still true, even today, that most deer are killed well-within 200 yards.
No magic here.... I sight my .06 in at 200 yards and go hunting.
Boring, ain't it.
:-) That probably works in your locale.... Consider a hunter in the west, he applies for a special tag, it may take ten years to draw that tag. He uses vacation time , travels a couple hundred miles to hunt. The terrain is open, long shots are likely. Thousands of dollars and years of time are invested. The animal population is low (that's why it is a draw unit) Would you trust a scope that worked ok and was suspect in terms of reliability? hell no! Granted they are the minority in numbers compared to the average eastern deer hunter..... Some of you need to get out more....  So one deer tag in 10 years versus a guy that shoots 10 deer a year in his locale. Following that logic, the guy that gets laid once every 10 years in Wyoming is a playboy, the guy that screws 100 girls is 10 years is a novice. Flawed logic.... the guy probably shoots thousands of practice rounds.... long range requires that. Also he doesn't sit home every time he doesn't draw a special tag. More than likely applies in several states and easy to draw units in his home state. I can guarandamntee you my rifles for woods hunting aren't held to the same accuracy standards as my long range rigs.... you don't know what you don't know... jeesh So in short, the guy that gets laid once every 10 years masturbates a LOT. Got it.
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So in short, the guy that gets laid once every 10 years masturbates a LOT.
Got it.
Ok this is getting a little bit personal now.
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We are asking for a lot in a 300.00 scope. A scope selling, on a good deal, for 300.00 will carry at least a 20% margin as it goes through the wholesale retail distribution. A 20% margin means the scope manufacturer received 240.00. A rule of thumb for manufacturers requires the manufacturing cost including a manufacturing profit margin to be 50% of what they sell an item for. The other half of the 240.00 they would receive goes to the cost of marketing and includes expenses like warranty costs, advertising and promotions and marketing profit.
So in simpler terms, that good deal on 300.00 scope means that you are purchasing a scope that has to have a raw manufacturing cost of 100.00 or less.
I just wait for sales and deals on my scopes. Two days ago I picked up a Meopta Meopro 3-9x40 through Cabelas for $299 plus tax. (regular $548) They are closing out their "instinct" line, which is a dead knock-off of the old Conquest MC 3-9x40, which I also bought for $300 when Cabelas had that on sale 10 years ago. (Thanks to BigDave for giving me the heads-up on the Instincts from Cabelas) The key here, is to buy a 500-dollar scope for 300 dollars.... those buys on decent scopes come up every year at various times for various reasons.
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The world will never know how many licks it takes to get to the center of a Tootsie Pop!
I noticed there’s 69 brands of scopes on SWFA’s website, they can’t all “suck”....
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I noticed there’s 69 brands of scopes on SWFA’s website, they can’t all “suck”....
Name the scope manufacturers or models that were specifically built for mechanical function above all else.
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I Love our Western hunting. Pretty simple hunting style. Good area, good bins, good scope, good rifle, good to go....No worries about stepping on something lethal.
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I noticed there’s 69 brands of scopes on SWFA’s website, they can’t all “suck”....
Name the scope manufacturers or models that were specifically built for mechanical function above all else. You tell me!!
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Re - the Cabela’s ...
The interesting thing is, they aren’t “old” scopes. They are the newer “Czech assembled” model.
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How about reasonable durability in a set and forget scope?
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Because people keep buying 'em.
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I agree with the comments, above, on the majority of hunters...
Most hunters are just like me, and don't need a scope with exacting-elevation-settings.
Good glass and durability and holding zero can be had for 300-400 dollars.
It's still true, even today, that most deer are killed well-within 200 yards.
No magic here.... I sight my .06 in at 200 yards and go hunting.
Boring, ain't it.
:-) That probably works in your locale.... Consider a hunter in the west, he applies for a special tag, it may take ten years to draw that tag. He uses vacation time , travels a couple hundred miles to hunt. The terrain is open, long shots are likely. Thousands of dollars and years of time are invested. The animal population is low (that's why it is a draw unit) Would you trust a scope that worked ok and was suspect in terms of reliability? hell no! Granted they are the minority in numbers compared to the average eastern deer hunter..... Some of you need to get out more.... So one deer tag in 10 years versus a guy that shoots 10 deer a year in his locale. Following that logic, the guy that gets laid once every 10 years in Wyoming is a playboy, the guy that screws 100 girls is 10 years is a novice. Flawed logic.... the guy probably shoots thousands of practice rounds.... long range requires that. Also he doesn't sit home every time he doesn't draw a special tag. More than likely applies in several states and easy to draw units in his home state. I can guarandamntee you my rifles for woods hunting aren't held to the same accuracy standards as my long range rigs.... you don't know what you don't know... jeesh So in short, the guy that gets laid once every 10 years masturbates a LOT. Got it. Travis, good to see you're back.
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I noticed there’s 69 brands of scopes on SWFA’s website, they can’t all “suck”....
Name the scope manufacturers or models that were specifically built for mechanical function above all else. You tell me!! Pretty sure he already has.... The list is short and distinguished.... kinda like my Johnson...
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Distinguished??? What, does it have a beard??
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I agree with the comments, above, on the majority of hunters...
Most hunters are just like me, and don't need a scope with exacting-elevation-settings.
Good glass and durability and holding zero can be had for 300-400 dollars.
It's still true, even today, that most deer are killed well-within 200 yards.
No magic here.... I sight my .06 in at 200 yards and go hunting.
Boring, ain't it.
:-) That probably works in your locale.... Consider a hunter in the west, he applies for a special tag, it may take ten years to draw that tag. He uses vacation time , travels a couple hundred miles to hunt. The terrain is open, long shots are likely. Thousands of dollars and years of time are invested. The animal population is low (that's why it is a draw unit) Would you trust a scope that worked ok and was suspect in terms of reliability? hell no! Granted they are the minority in numbers compared to the average eastern deer hunter..... Some of you need to get out more.... So one deer tag in 10 years versus a guy that shoots 10 deer a year in his locale. Following that logic, the guy that gets laid once every 10 years in Wyoming is a playboy, the guy that screws 100 girls is 10 years is a novice. Flawed logic.... the guy probably shoots thousands of practice rounds.... long range requires that. Also he doesn't sit home every time he doesn't draw a special tag. More than likely applies in several states and easy to draw units in his home state. I can guarandamntee you my rifles for woods hunting aren't held to the same accuracy standards as my long range rigs.... you don't know what you don't know... jeesh So in short, the guy that gets laid once every 10 years masturbates a LOT. Got it. Where the men are men, the sheep are nervous.
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You already know them. Nightforce SWFA Bushnell EliteTactical DMR/HDMR/ERS/XRS/LRHS/LRTS Maybe ZCO Ask any companies engineers right off the bat what their first goal was when designing a scope. Other than those above it is NEVER bulletproof function. The Bushnells aren’t as solid as they were, because Bushnell got rid of the people who were responsible for bringing them to fruition. I’m not sure why this is so hard for so many people to grasp. Scopes are designed to be marketable. The market screams for glass, features, and warranty. So that is what the scopes are designed around. You can’t have it all. Want a $300 scope that is built to hold zero and function as item #1? Than you will give up features, have just usable glass, and probably fixed power. Want a scope that is built to work, is a variable, has good glass? Than you are at $600+ with minimal features, and a low zoom ratio. Want a scope that is built to work, has good glass, and good features? Than you are at $1,200+ and low zoom ratio. Want a scope that is built to work, has good glass, good features, and good zoom ratio? You’ll be spending $2,000. Want a $300 feature rich scope with good glass? It’s going to be a POS as an aiming device. Want a $600 feature rich scope with great glass? It’s going to be a POS as an aiming device. Want a $1,000 scope with great glass, high zoom ratios, and lots of features? Guess what.... But because people don’t shoot, are happy to make excuses for poor performance, and the most “use” most scopes get is being pulled out of the safe to show a buddy.... function isn’t taken seriously by most.
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Scopes aren't binoculars, glass is way down the list of importance, that's for sure. But as said, you can't tell that to most people.
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Scopes aren't binoculars, glass is way down the list of importance, that's for sure. But as said, you can't tell that to most people. In low light and or tough conditins great glass discs definate plus. You cang hit what you cant see. Mechanical integrity is paramount.
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20 year old eyes will trump all, assuming your siblings aren't your parents. Considering what I've accomplished with open sights, I don't need $2000 glass, I just need dependable internals.
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My blue light special rifle, and a lowly vx-1 doing gods work last Sunday, funny thing, it’s a bigger blacktail than 99% of the scope biitches will ever kill.... 😂 haha ![[Linked Image from i.postimg.cc]](https://i.postimg.cc/X7CHdnJS/05-E19-EF3-C3-E6-4-EC5-BA7-A-0-B59-C5-F7-C569.jpg)
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Chop chop lady’s, no blinds, tree stands, or food plots there.... grin
Ping pong balls for the win.
Once you've wrestled everything else in life is easy. Dan Gable
I keep my circle small, I’d rather have 4 quarters than 100 pennies.
Ain’t easy havin pals.
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