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Why so many scopes that suck? Because scope makers supply what people buy. I would respectfully disagree and say that it's because people buy what scope makers supply. So do optics companies just pull and idea out of their wazooola and try to sell it, or do you think they may know what the market says the demand is and will sell? My guess is the latter. I think that the strategy in most products is "We'll make what we want to make (and make the most profit from), and people will buy it".
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Which brings up another subject, what percentage of "turret twisters" have made meat, via archery, or musket, with open sights of course. ... I'll bet, less than 10%..... My personal experience is exactly opposite, the serious twisters I know are the real freaking deal, most of them are good, or better archers, myself included.
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This is GREAT!
This is like the optics forum in the old days...lots of vitriol!
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For the vast majority of hunters, their number one requirement is and probably should be, the ability to hold zero. All of the rest is based on personal preferences for different applications.
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Which brings up another subject, what percentage of "turret twisters" have made meat, via archery, or musket, with open sights of course. ... I'll bet, less than 10%..... My personal experience is exactly opposite, the serious twisters I know are the real freaking deal, most of them are good, or better archers, myself included. Same. I've killed something with a roundball and german silver sights each of the last 4 years and all of those in wide open country. And I turret twist for everything else. Guy has to stay sharp in various disciplines lol.
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Shoot....I wuz just thinking I wanted to try a different kinda scope.
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So I need to scope a 340 Weatherby...(SWFA need not apply)....
A good principle to guide me through life: “This is all I have come to expect, standard lackluster performance. Trust nothing, believe no one and realize it will only get worse…”
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You have two choices....NF or a Peep sight
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Which brings up another subject, what percentage of "turret twisters" have made meat, via archery, or musket, with open sights of course. ... I'll bet, less than 10%..... My personal experience is exactly opposite, the serious twisters I know are the real freaking deal, most of them are good, or better archers, myself included. Mileage varies by locale I guess..... it’s not very common out here, but then again, the deer and hunting style are quite a bit different as well, and no elk either
Ping pong balls for the win.
Once you've wrestled everything else in life is easy. Dan Gable
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To the OP, I think you're over estimating SWFA. They may be popular on this site, but I have never seen one in the field when coming across other hunters.
Same is true of the Montana when it was the bees knees on here. Same with the now favored Fieldcraft. Still haven't seen one outside of a store.
I’m just regurgitating scope talk here on the ‘fire. I’d be willing to bet that VXII 3x9’s ride on more rifles than anything. I don’t know anyone in my locale that’s ever seen a SWFA, except for mine. And the usual response is “WOW, that’s a big scope” This, and I know a few people.... grin I bet there are enough leupolds in Lewis county Washington alone, to fill a train car... haha
Ping pong balls for the win.
Once you've wrestled everything else in life is easy. Dan Gable
I keep my circle small, I’d rather have 4 quarters than 100 pennies.
Ain’t easy havin pals.
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So I need to scope a 340 Weatherby...(SWFA need not apply).... Leupold 3.5x10
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That’s what rides on the boys 340...
Ping pong balls for the win.
Once you've wrestled everything else in life is easy. Dan Gable
I keep my circle small, I’d rather have 4 quarters than 100 pennies.
Ain’t easy havin pals.
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You’re not looking very hard if you claim there not out there. Not surprising though. [quote=auk1124]How many times have you heard about a bad Nightforce? Its pretty easy to put 2 and 2 together.
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For the vast majority of hunters, their number one requirement is and probably should be, the ability to hold zero. All of the rest is based on personal preferences for different applications. They should just make a scope that is a set-forget with a turret that came be spun for fun, so a guy can impress himself and buds by twisting away, but nothing happens....Wait, they already make them...Damn it! 😬😎
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Which brings up another subject, what percentage of "turret twisters" have made meat, via archery, or musket, with open sights of course. ... I'll bet, less than 10%..... My personal experience is exactly opposite, the serious twisters I know are the real freaking deal, most of them are good, or better archers, myself included. Mileage varies by locale I guess..... it’s not very common out here, but then again, the deer and hunting style are quite a bit different as well, and no elk either I think it has more to do with the fact that for most real longer range shooters (not like our pard's neighbor), shooting is as much as a hobby and art as hunting, I know it is for me, including archery. You think I'm a rifle nut? I've got essentially an archery shop at home, do everything but build strings. On another note, watching someone hunt with an out of tune bow drives me bonkers (90% of bows I see in the field). Will the out of tune bow kill? Most of the time within reasonable range, yes. Is it as efficient and reliable as a tuned bow, absolutely not.
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I’m thinking about inventing a faux turret and just holding over. Then just tell people I turned it 10 clicks and boom!
Maybe just start talking in clicks too:
“That one was 12 clicks away”
“Ooof, 30 clicks...too far”
“That’s a 2 clicker right there.....”
“You like my scope? It’s clickalicious”
It’d be quite impressive.
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Don’t forget....”Send It”......😂😎
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You’re not looking very hard if you claim there not out there. Not surprising though. [quote=auk1124]How many times have you heard about a bad Nightforce? Its pretty easy to put 2 and 2 together. A simple search will bring up pages..
Ping pong balls for the win.
Once you've wrestled everything else in life is easy. Dan Gable
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A simple search of, “super sniper scope failures” is interesting as well, nothing is immune from failure. As my smith says about rifle barrels, you pay your money, and you take your chances...
Ping pong balls for the win.
Once you've wrestled everything else in life is easy. Dan Gable
I keep my circle small, I’d rather have 4 quarters than 100 pennies.
Ain’t easy havin pals.
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