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Ironic this follows the other thread, where a CCH died.
And yet, our keyboard hero's step up.
#1 Keep myself alive. I don't want to die, my family needs me, and
if I get all Rambo and die, it won't help the other people there.
#2 Its just money, not mine, and probably insured.
A robery isn't usually a shooting, why make it one?
#3 I'm not, nor have ever been a cop.
Recent events have changed the historical norm, but
these situations are why we revere cops. Their historical
duty was to step up, putting their life on the line to protect
others and enforce the law. I'm just a civilian.
#4 If someone is in reasonable danger of death or serious bodily
injury (the legal self defense standard for years) then action
is necessary. Great answer. Don’t play Dirty Harry is you are not threatened. Duck and hide. Depending on where you live, smoking some thug with your CCW could ruin your life. If they just want the money, let them take it and let everyone else go home alive without lawyers and a trip to the station. What are we talking, $6-700 in a cash register? Now if it’s getting violent and the perps start pistol whipping people and things are escalating towards criticize mass, that’s why you have the CCW
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I would like to think I would get ready to shoot him if things turned sour, otherwise let him get the cash and go. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ THIS, though tough to say if you weren't there. I just dread the thought of opening fire in a crowded venue.... You have a BIG dog. Bro would not linger in his presence ☠️
"The Democrat Party looks like Titanic survivors. Partying and celebrating one moment, and huddled in lifeboats freezing the next". Hatari 2017
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Idaho is pretty liberal on self defense. You can use a gun to defend yourself, your family, your home, your property, and your place of work. Stores aren't on the list.
“In a time of deceit telling the truth is a revolutionary act.”
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I would like to think I would get ready to shoot him if things turned sour, otherwise let him get the cash and go. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ THIS, though tough to say if you weren't there. I just dread the thought of opening fire in a crowded venue.... Spot on If my kids or wife were there,they would be my first thought. If it's a straight stick up and run,who gives a schit about money.
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I would like to think I would get ready to shoot him if things turned sour, otherwise let him get the cash and go. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ THIS, though tough to say if you weren't there. I just dread the thought of opening fire in a crowded venue.... Yep. Probably in most cases with others around the perp would just get the money and run.
Ecc 10:2
The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but that of a fool to the left.
A Nation which leaves God behind is soon left behind.
"The Lord never asked anyone to be a tax collector, lowyer, or Redskins fan".
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Ironic this follows the other thread, where a CCH died.
And yet, our keyboard hero's step up.
#1 Keep myself alive. I don't want to die, my family needs me, and
if I get all Rambo and die, it won't help the other people there.
#2 Its just money, not mine, and probably insured.
A robery isn't usually a shooting, why make it one?
#3 I'm not, nor have ever been a cop.
Recent events have changed the historical norm, but
these situations are why we revere cops. Their historical
duty was to step up, putting their life on the line to protect
others and enforce the law. I'm just a civilian.
#4 If someone is in reasonable danger of death or serious bodily
injury (the legal self defense standard for years) then action
is necessary. Agreed. Got a link to the cch death?
Ecc 10:2
The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but that of a fool to the left.
A Nation which leaves God behind is soon left behind.
"The Lord never asked anyone to be a tax collector, lowyer, or Redskins fan".
I Dindo Nuffin
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I was in a used record shop in Ft Lauderdale in 93 when a car pulled up in front of the shop on a guy with a fabric back tote got out of the back seat and walked in.
The shop has a round central register area with 2 cash registers and the clerk was at the one on the right the guy went to the opposite one and put the pack on the counter and stuck his right hand inside waiting for the clerk to turn around.
While waiting he was scanning the shop incessantly.
I was facing the opposite direction he was with my strong side towards him.
I swept my cover garment when his gaze cast my direction and retrieved my wallet while exposing the cocked and locked 1911 stuck in my waistband.
He looked directly into my eyes, picked up the pack and walked out of the store getting into the car that literally peeled out of the parking lot.
TRUMP- GABBARD 2024
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Idaho is pretty liberal on self defense. You can use a gun to defend yourself, your family, your home, your property, and your place of work. Stores aren't on the list. If hes pointing a gun at the cashier when you shoot, who would you be defending?
Ecc 10:2
The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but that of a fool to the left.
A Nation which leaves God behind is soon left behind.
"The Lord never asked anyone to be a tax collector, lowyer, or Redskins fan".
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I was in a used record shop in Ft Lauderdale in 93 when a car pulled up in front of the shop on a guy with a fabric back tote got out of the back seat and walked in.
The shop has a round central register area with 2 cash registers and the clerk was at the one on the right the guy went to the opposite one and put the pack on the counter and stuck his right hand inside waiting for the clerk to turn around.
While waiting he was scanning the shop incessantly.
I was facing the opposite direction he was with my strong side towards him.
I swept my cover garment when his gaze cast my direction and retrieved my wallet while exposing the cocked and locked 1911 stuck in my waistband.
He looked directly into my eyes, picked up the pack and walked out of the store getting into the car that literally peeled out of the parking lot.
Cool
Ecc 10:2
The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but that of a fool to the left.
A Nation which leaves God behind is soon left behind.
"The Lord never asked anyone to be a tax collector, lowyer, or Redskins fan".
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No one truly knows what they will do until they live through the situation.
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Ironic this follows the other thread, where a CCH died.
And yet, our keyboard hero's step up.
#1 Keep myself alive. I don't want to die, my family needs me, and
if I get all Rambo and die, it won't help the other people there.
#2 Its just money, not mine, and probably insured.
A robery isn't usually a shooting, why make it one?
#3 I'm not, nor have ever been a cop.
Recent events have changed the historical norm, but
these situations are why we revere cops. Their historical
duty was to step up, putting their life on the line to protect
others and enforce the law. I'm just a civilian.
#4 If someone is in reasonable danger of death or serious bodily
injury (the legal self defense standard for years) then action
is necessary. Agreed. Got a link to the cch death?
God, Family, and Country.
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I got a CCW License to defend myself and loved ones from physical harm. Money and property are not a consideration. In a public place, I would discreetly draw and stay alert, but not act unless the bad guy attempted violence. As someone already stated it’s a robbery not a shooting.
7mm
"Preserving the Constitution, fighting off the nibblers and chippers, even nibblers and chippers with good intentions, was once regarded by conservatives as the first duty of the citizen. It still is." � Wesley Pruden
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If I had the presence of mind take cover behind my vehicle and roll video on my cell phone. Try to get a good angle on the perp and video the license plate of the get away car or direction of travel if perp was on foot. Call the police. That's their job. My concealed carry handgun is to respond to direct threats against me. Not the population at large. I thot I mentioned that little "what if" you were standing in the check out line and the perp stepped in FRONT of YOU and pointed a gun at the cashier across the counter from YOU and demanded money? Details, man, it's the details that get you on those state board license exams. Too many variables to speculate about...my response (or lack of) would depend on a lot of things....my kneejerk reaction would be to disarm him.
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The robber's attitude and actions would heavily influence what my response would be. If he's pretty calm and it appears he just wants a pocketful of money, be a good witness. If he's some sort of amped-up tweaker who's bouncing off the walls and it appears he's likely to start shooting for no good reason, I'm probably going to try to take him out if I can do it without injuring any bystanders.
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Idaho Code 19-202A addresses when an individual may use force in self-defense.
“No person in this state shall be placed in legal jeopardy of any kind whatsoever for protecting himself or his family by reasonable means necessary, or when coming to the aid of another whom he reasonably believes to be in imminent danger of or the victim of aggravated assault, robbery, rape, murder or other heinous crime,” the statute states.
Bonneville County Prosecutor Daniel Clark said the rule is similar to when shootings by law enforcement are scrutinized.
The key word in the statute is “reasonable.” In cases such as Roof’s, the individual who introduces a gun into a conflict must not only believe they’re under threat, put prove a reasonable person would feel the same way.
the consolidation of the states into one vast republic, sure to be aggressive abroad and despotic at home, will be the certain precursor of that ruin which has overwhelmed all those that have preceded. Robert E Lee
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If I was right behind the guy with the gun (or knife) threatening the clerk I would him shoot him in the back of his head (brain stem) or behind his ear.
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Ironic this follows the other thread, where a CCH died.
And yet, our keyboard hero's step up.
#1 Keep myself alive. I don't want to die, my family needs me, and
if I get all Rambo and die, it won't help the other people there.
#2 Its just money, not mine, and probably insured.
A robery isn't usually a shooting, why make it one?
#3 I'm not, nor have ever been a cop.
Recent events have changed the historical norm, but
these situations are why we revere cops. Their historical
duty was to step up, putting their life on the line to protect
others and enforce the law. I'm just a civilian.
#4 If someone is in reasonable danger of death or serious bodily
injury (the legal self defense standard for years) then action
is necessary. Agreed. Got a link to the cch death? Thanks. I dont have to worry about that because I dont go in jewelry stores. 
Ecc 10:2
The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but that of a fool to the left.
A Nation which leaves God behind is soon left behind.
"The Lord never asked anyone to be a tax collector, lowyer, or Redskins fan".
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The robber's attitude and actions would heavily influence what my response would be. If he's pretty calm and it appears he just wants a pocketful of money, be a good witness. If he's some sort of amped-up tweaker who's bouncing off the walls and it appears he's likely to start shooting for no good reason, I'm probably going to try to take him out if I can do it without injuring any bystanders.
Jerry
This
Ecc 10:2
The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but that of a fool to the left.
A Nation which leaves God behind is soon left behind.
"The Lord never asked anyone to be a tax collector, lowyer, or Redskins fan".
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stand very still with my hand as near to my gun as possible. you could make the situation worse. if he starts shooting, then its game on.
he said from the comfort of his couch
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