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Everyone knew 3 years ago how they were gonna vote. Yep, they've been saying they were going to impeach him since election night. They were going to find some excuse to do it.
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Everyone knew 3 years ago how they were gonna vote. Exactly. Who cares how she's going to vote. She's totally irrelevant. The only way she can be more relevant is to put on a clown suit. This ^^^ kwg
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There is plenty of evidence, and impeachment does not require a trial. That's not how impeachment works. Arguably much worse than what Nixon was accused of, and without a doubt far worse than what Clinton was accused of. Sheesh. If there was evidence, it would have come out long before now. True, impeachment doesn't require a trial. However, this article IS NOT about impeachment. That's done by the house. This is a SENATOR and it's talking about the SENATE trial that follows a HOUSE impeachment. She's already said that she'll vote to convict Trump even without having heard any evidence. This is seating a juror who has said before the trial that the defendant is guilty. This is an unconstitutional assumption of guilt.
“In a time of deceit telling the truth is a revolutionary act.”
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It's not over when you lose. It's over when you quit.
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She would be disqualified from a courtroom trial. A judge will ask perspective jurors whether they've already formed an opinion on the case at hand.
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In all fairness RC, a lot of Senate Republicans have already declared that Trump did nothing wrong without hearing any of the evidence, but that's the nature of today's tribal politics. Graham has already stated that he wouldn't even look at the evidence the House has produced. Neither side seems to want to look at the evidence in a fair and impartial manner to determine whether or not Trump may have done something that he shouldn't have.
Remember why, specifically, the Bill of Rights was written...remember its purpose. It was written to limit the power of government over the individual.
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There is plenty of evidence, and impeachment does not require a trial. That's not how impeachment works. Arguably much worse than what Nixon was accused of, and without a doubt far worse than what Clinton was accused of. There is testimony of one person who heard the call. That man said Trump did not ask for quid pro quo during the call. That man said it was his opinion that it was a quid pro quo deal. Later the aid was released without an investigation and Trump went on to clear it up with the person who misunderstood him that he wanted "nothing, no quid pro quo." Other people heard though others that someone thought it was a quid pro quo deal. Hearsay is not evidence. Even if it were a quid pro quo deal, that's the way we handle all foreign aid. It all come with strings attached. Beyond that we have a treaty with Turkey that places a duty on us to work together to weed out corruption. Yep plenty of evidence.
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For f~ck sack, Obama gave 150 billion to our enemy Iran , WTF am I missing, billion with a B !
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There is plenty of evidence, and impeachment does not require a trial. That's not how impeachment works. Arguably much worse than what Nixon was accused of, and without a doubt far worse than what Clinton was accused of. Exactly what evidence? Please list ALL that you are aware of and can document with valid, verifiable sources. 2nd, 3rd 4th hand is NOT valid. Feelings don't matter. Removing government employees that serve at the pleasure of the president is perfectly legit. Attaching 'strings' to U.S. aid is perfectly ok ...every administration has done it--always will. Asking g the Ukraine to investigate the Damnocraps collusion with the Ukraine in the 2016 is perfectly legit as well. The list goes on. So wtf evidence do you KNOW of? You are right that impeachment does not involve a trial. However being removed from office DOES require a trial in the senate. To be more clear, you are a pos ph-uktard!
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so much for Klobuchar being a moderate ....., if she is willing to vote with the hard core demoncrat lefties........... I don't follow MN politics so I don't know if she's moderate or not. But she can't be seen to be moderate. The press would savage her and she would loose enough far left support to be unelectable. Her only hope is a fed subsidized lutefisk program. Maybe school lunches?  
The key elements in human thinking are not numbers but labels of fuzzy sets. -- L. Zadeh
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Yup, the hatred for Trump knows no bounds. True, but it goes much much deeper than just hatred for Donald J Trump the person. He is, to put it mildly, "upsetting their apple cart". He is single handily exposing their corruption and putting the breaks on the entire DC Establishments, The Military and the rest of the world. These people had a great thing going here for decades, they worked together as a team to fleas the American tax payer out of Trillions of dollars. Whether it was Trade deals, Military Aid, Foreign Aid, Campaign contributions, Lobbyists, Planned Parenthood, McCain Foundation, Clinton Foundation, kickbacks from corporations, phony Military contract, phony wars, whatever. He is basically putting them out of business and they will have none of it, he needs to go. Unlike every President before him he will not play ball with them. He stands alone in his fight and he fights hard. He has every person in DC working overtime trying to get him out of the WH. He needs to go so they can put their gravy train apparatus back in place. I fear at some point the Establishment will come to realize that they simple cannot remove him by conventional means and they will be forced into drastic measures, measure that will make JFK's death child's play.
Give a man a fish and he eats for a day. Give a man a welfare check, a forty ounce malt liquor, a crack pipe, an Obama phone, free health insurance. and some Air Jordan's and he votes Democrat for a lifetime.
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Attaching 'strings' to U.S. aid is perfectly ok ...every administration has done it--always will. They darn well better attach strings. Why should we hand out billions and get nothing in return other than having them use it to attack us in some way.
“In a time of deceit telling the truth is a revolutionary act.”
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Attaching 'strings' to U.S. aid is perfectly ok ...every administration has done it--always will. They darn well better attach strings. Why should we hand out billions and get nothing in return other than having them use it to attack us in some way. +10!
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From colluding with Russian to impeachment, No evidence. But the death of Jeffery Epstein is still unanswered and they bother not.
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Attaching 'strings' to U.S. aid is perfectly ok ...every administration has done it--always will. They darn well better attach strings. Why should we hand out billions and get nothing in return other than having them use it to attack us in some way. +10! Was it appropriate to ask Ukraine to make a public announcement into launching an investigation into Hunter Biden's time at Burisma as a specific condition to releasing U.S. aid? Would that announcement have served our national interests, or Trump's own personal political interests? Those questions are the heart of the impeachment inquiry. I agree, attaching strings that benefit our country's national interests is perfectly ok, but attaching strings that only benefit a politician personally is the very definition of swamp behavior, and that's not ok.
Remember why, specifically, the Bill of Rights was written...remember its purpose. It was written to limit the power of government over the individual.
There is no believing a liar, even when he speaks the truth.
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Attaching 'strings' to U.S. aid is perfectly ok ...every administration has done it--always will. They darn well better attach strings. Why should we hand out billions and get nothing in return other than having them use it to attack us in some way. +10! Was it appropriate to ask Ukraine to make a public announcement into launching an investigation into Hunter Biden's time at Burisma as a specific condition to releasing U.S. aid? Would that announcement have served our national interests, or Trump's own personal political interests? Those questions are the heart of the impeachment inquiry. I agree, attaching strings that benefit our country's national interests is perfectly ok, but attaching strings that only benefit a politician personally is the very definition of swamp behavior, and that's not ok. So, if you are a candidate, it protects you from investigation, should you do something shady? Cool.
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Attaching 'strings' to U.S. aid is perfectly ok ...every administration has done it--always will. They darn well better attach strings. Why should we hand out billions and get nothing in return other than having them use it to attack us in some way. +10! Was it appropriate to ask Ukraine to make a public announcement into launching an investigation into Hunter Biden's time at Burisma as a specific condition to releasing U.S. aid? Would that announcement have served our national interests, or Trump's own personal political interests? Those questions are the heart of the impeachment inquiry. I agree, attaching strings that benefit our country's national interests is perfectly ok, but attaching strings that only benefit a politician personally is the very definition of swamp behavior, and that's not ok. So, if you are a candidate, it protects you from investigation, should you do something shady? Cool. Not too bright are you? There are no excuses excuses for swamp behavior, I'll go ahead assume that you would agree with this. "So, if you are the President, it protects you from investigation, should you do something shady? Cool" There are ways to have had Hunter Biden's time at Burisma investigated without attaching strings to the Ukraine aid package.
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Remember why, specifically, the Bill of Rights was written...remember its purpose. It was written to limit the power of government over the individual.
There is no believing a liar, even when he speaks the truth.
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The USA can attach strings to ANY aid package we want to.
WE sign the check.
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Unless it's proven Trump coerced or black mailed the Ukrainian's into lying about Biden's illegal dealings I don't see the problem
Hell didn't that idiot Biden admit and brag about doing it?
Figures don't lie, But Liars figure
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There is plenty of evidence, and impeachment does not require a trial. That's not how impeachment works. Arguably much worse than what Nixon was accused of, and without a doubt far worse than what Clinton was accused of. F uck off Gooseschitt.... YOU are guilty of being a leftist dumbass.. Clowns like you are guilty of starting this type of crap in our government, for no reason, impeaching some one not guilty of anything you clowns claim, guilty of stuff Joe Biden brags about doing publicly....yet you let that fly... I sure hope the Republican Party starts impeachment on the next democRAT in office, before they are even sworn in... Hillary, Obama, and a host of other democRATS are guilty of breaking so many laws its ridiculous.... yet you lefties expect t them to get a free pass, while you want to impeach a Republic, just because he beat your party's candidates, and he is helping to turn around our economy etc.... Every democRAT in office needs to be impeached, recalled, and locked up for good... and you people who support them need to be locked up for treason.. those ideas are nowhere near as dumb as the crap you lefties are pulling... now FOAD Gooseschitt
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