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Originally Posted by UPhiker
Sorta makes you wonder how some people here would be acting if they had the money and power that Epstein, Prince Andrew, etc., have?


Almost makes you wonder what a teenage girl, and her parents would do if lots of money were thrown their way on a regular basis.

Or little boys, and their parents.

Remember Michael Jackson and his little sleepovers?

Where were the parents?

Oh. Yeah. They were out buying new cars and stuff... whistle


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Originally Posted by UPhiker
Sorta makes you wonder how some people here would be acting if they had the money and power that Epstein, Prince Andrew, etc., have?


Almost makes you wonder what a teenage girl, and her parents would do if lots of money were thrown their way on a regular basis.

Or little boys, and their parents.

Remember Michael Jackson and his little sleepovers?

Where were the parents?

Oh. Yeah. They were out buying new cars and stuff... whistle



IMO.....if you're going to forget about what Michael Jackson did to little boys, and we're talking kids under 10 years of age, then the Epstein/Andrew thing needs to be dropped immediately. There is a BIG difference between a an 8 year old child, and one that is 16 or 17.

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Originally Posted by JamesJr

IMO.....if you're going to forget about what Michael Jackson did to little boys, and we're talking kids under 10 years of age, then the Epstein/Andrew thing needs to be dropped immediately. There is a BIG difference between a an 8 year old child, and one that is 16 or 17.


The point is, there were kids.

And there were parents.

And all the parents concerned developed a huge blind spot in their vision.


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Originally Posted by rockinbbar
Originally Posted by JamesJr

IMO.....if you're going to forget about what Michael Jackson did to little boys, and we're talking kids under 10 years of age, then the Epstein/Andrew thing needs to be dropped immediately. There is a BIG difference between a an 8 year old child, and one that is 16 or 17.


The point is, there were kids.

And there were parents.

And all the parents concerned developed a huge blind spot in their vision.

And the fallout was borne by the children...

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It seems that most here are leaving the 'other adults' out of the equation, the ones having sex with the underage girls.

I don't get it, wrong is well....... just wrong.


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Originally Posted by Raeford
It seems that most here are leaving the 'other adults' out of the equation, the ones having sex with the underage girls.

I don't get it, wrong is well....... just wrong.



Not leaving anyone out.

But those having sex with the girls are ALL anyone has talked about.

We are allowed to talk about the parents too.


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I'd guess many of the parents were complicit.....


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Sex trafficking usually involves young girls who've been separated from their parents, either kidnapped or runaways. The parents aren't there to keep them straight.


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Originally Posted by Rock Chuck
Sex trafficking usually involves young girls who've been separated from their parents, either kidnapped or runaways. The parents aren't there to keep them straight.


From what has been published about all this, I don't think that's the case with the Epstein girls. They were recruited by his women accomplices for money.

Pimped.


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Several years ago, before I retired some oft he guys working for me allowed there graduating daughters to go to California to "become" models. The contract was, the company paid their way down but the girls had to pay their own expenses once they got there. I think there were 5 of them that took the bait. One was home in two weeks, the other four lasted a few months & all of them came home broke & didn't want to talk about it much. Any takers on what was going on? This was from just one small area.

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Does any seriously believe Virginia Roberts was a virgin when recruited by Maxwell.?

put her on the stand under oath and X examine her.. ie; was she already sexually active
when working at the Florida spa resort aged 15.

If she was blowing off male staff and spa clients, chances are Maxwell offered her the same
kind of work but in more exclusive upmarket surroundings...she may have even
come to Maxwells attention because word got around about her willingness and ability to please .. wink

So Maxwell thought she could easy get what Epstein wants by making a greater offer
to a young eager and 'ambitious' girl.

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Underage is underage and if a law was broken, then Andrew should be no different than anybody else.


Trump can get things moving to extradite prince Andrew and defend the innocence of a 17 yr old American girl,

do you think he will do it?


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Originally Posted by Idaho1945
I agree, she looks happy, maybe star struck, maybe drunk or drugged, who knows? What we do know is that it's against the law for adults to have sex with minors & here we are, all of us as perfect parents saying some pretty nasty stuff about someone who's life is ruined, along with many others we'll never hear about.

Where were the parents, we're not going to know but it's sad the way we've already helped assassinate this young girl, right or wrong it's pretty sad to read some of this. Maybe she got just what she deserved but again, she was a minor, someone should have been there to save her not condemn her. She is someone's daughter, could be any of us, hopefully not. This is suppose to be America, not Thailand!

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We have some real heroes on here that would blame the victim. Even cons in prison know what to do to pedophiles and rapos.

But wait!!!! It was obviously a Mossad honey trap!

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Originally Posted by Idaho1945
... This is suppose to be America, not Thailand!


VIrginia Roberts alleges Epstein sent her to Thailand to learn massage.

Im guessing he 'forced' her onto that jet plane as well.

or he simply payed her to go - at her own free will.

not saying Andrew or Epstein have not broken any laws,
but one has to ask how much was co-erced and how much the victim was willing.






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Originally Posted by Idaho1945
Several years ago, before I retired some oft he guys working for me allowed there graduating daughters to go to California to "become" models. The contract was, the company paid their way down but the girls had to pay their own expenses once they got there. I think there were 5 of them that took the bait. One was home in two weeks, the other four lasted a few months & all of them came home broke & didn't want to talk about it much. Any takers on what was going on? This was from just one small area.

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That is a standard recruiting scam for young girls who are then hustled into prostitution and porno films. Get down there, expenses are high, the agency pimp tells them how to make big money. Says there are very rich businessmen who just like a "little friendly companionship," and are willing to pay well for it. "There's a party tonight I want you to go to and meet a rich friend of mine." Also, "Darlin', you're so pretty. You can make it big in the movies, be a big star, make tons of money. I have this great part for you in a movie a producer friend of mine is making. You start tomorrow."

Except, it is hard core XXXX porn and the girls are threatened and frightened into making the porno flick. Drugs, booze, everything you can imagine is available to the young girls. Been going on in Hollywood for many, many years.

Hey, everyone wants to be in show business. Right??

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of course, the other problem is when a misguided teen get's into a 'situation', then wants out...they may not let her out


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Originally Posted by Leanwolf
Originally Posted by Idaho1945
Several years ago, before I retired some oft he guys working for me allowed there graduating daughters to go to California to "become" models. The contract was, the company paid their way down but the girls had to pay their own expenses once they got there. I think there were 5 of them that took the bait. One was home in two weeks, the other four lasted a few months & all of them came home broke & didn't want to talk about it much. Any takers on what was going on? This was from just one small area.

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That is a standard recruiting scam for young girls who are then hustled into prostitution and porno films. Get down there, expenses are high, the agency pimp tells them how to make big money. Says there are very rich businessmen who just like a "little friendly companionship," and are willing to pay well for it. "There's a party tonight I want you to go to and meet a rich friend of mine." Also, "Darlin', you're so pretty. You can make it big in the movies, be a big star, make tons of money. I have this great part for you in a movie a producer friend of mine is making. You start tomorrow."

Except, it is hard core XXXX porn and the girls are threatened and frightened into making the porno flick. Drugs, booze, everything you can imagine is available to the young girls. Been going on in Hollywood for many, many years.

Hey, everyone wants to be in show business. Right??

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Yeah, that's a real thing.

Exploited.

Some of those starlets exploited more than few directors and producers too. wink

What humans won't do to one another, you could write on the back of a postage stamp with room left over.


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some girls do certainly get into terrible situations that become very difficult to extricate themselves from,

but is that the case with V. Roberts?

was she an actual prisoner ?...no access to a phone, her parents, law enforcement , outside world, etc?

If she was going through US and UK airports and told Fed border agents that she was being sex-trafficked
and was frightened and wanted help, would they just ignore her?

maybe she was a fast Learner knowing that all the good far outweighed the bad in her mind...

so she just kept her trap shut.


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Good thing none of us regret anything we did as youngsters, not even knowing whether it was right or not...

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I just don't see how anything can be proven. It's her word against his. Just being in a photo together doesn't prove the guy didn't anything illegal.

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Meh......
Both the girl/woman now and Andy back then were............

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