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What kind of pressure can Pelosi bring to bear on members of her caucus that may be leaning against? Primaries, money, committee membership. What else?
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I see it getting voted up. It will go to the senate. The senate will apply the rules of evidence and the rule of law. A few R Senators may jump ship. Think Romney here. They won't have enough votes for impeachment. The Dems will scream that "politics not justice." The media will echo that sentiment. The Dems will mount their next assault. Come November, swing voters from swing states will decide if we want to become a socialist state with a state controlled media or if we want to keep our representative constitutional republic.
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In addition to Romney, I think Collins and Murkowski are untrustworthy.
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In addition to Romney, I think Collins and Murkowski are untrustworthy. All it will take are four Senators jumping ship and the Senate trial become very a different ball game, a lot of the trial proceedings, witnesses, etc., will be decided on by a 51 vote majority.
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In addition to Romney, I think Collins and Murkowski are untrustworthy. They might, but I don't think they'll be stupid enough to allow draconian rules changes for the trial, and as twisted as Roberts is, he'll conduct the trial according to the norms of rules of evidence.
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In addition to Romney, I think Collins and Murkowski are untrustworthy. All it will take are four Senators jumping ship and the Senate trial become very a different ball game, a lot of the trial proceedings, witnesses, etc., will be decided on by a 51 vote majority. No, it takes a 2/3 vote in the Senate to remove the President. They need 66 votes to do that. I don't think they can come up with that.
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In addition to Romney, I think Collins and Murkowski are untrustworthy. They might, but I don't think they'll be stupid enough to allow draconian rules changes for the trial, and as twisted as Roberts is, he'll conduct the trial according to the norms of rules of evidence. My understanding is that a simple 51 vote majority can overrule Roberts.
Remember why, specifically, the Bill of Rights was written...remember its purpose. It was written to limit the power of government over the individual.
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In addition to Romney, I think Collins and Murkowski are untrustworthy. Murkowski has done a lot dumb chit.. but her supporting impeachment would end her career in politics..
Then STFU. The rest of your statement is superflous bullshit with no real bearing on this discussion other than to massage your own ego. Suckin' on my titties like you wanted me.
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In addition to Romney, I think Collins and Murkowski are untrustworthy. All it will take are four Senators jumping ship and the Senate trial become very a different ball game, a lot of the trial proceedings, witnesses, etc., will be decided on by a 51 vote majority. No, it takes a 2/3 vote in the Senate to remove the President. They need 66 votes to do that. I don't think they can come up with that. 2/3 vote for removal, a 51 vote majority for deciding procedures during the trial.
Remember why, specifically, the Bill of Rights was written...remember its purpose. It was written to limit the power of government over the individual.
There is no believing a liar, even when he speaks the truth.
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In addition to Romney, I think Collins and Murkowski are untrustworthy. Murkowski has done a lot dumb chit.. but her supporting impeachment would end her career in politics.. I don’t believe that. Her bulk constituency is anti trumpers. Maybe she’ll vote present like on kavanaugh.
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The whole impeachment effort is aimed at one thing: Denying DJT the opportunity to replace RBG should she assume room temperature. Democrats will scream "This nomination is not valid because the President is under suspicion, etc, etc, etc." THERE is were Utah's gift to the Senate will turn tail and run with the Democrats.
Imagine a corporate oligarchy so effective, so advanced and fine tuned that its citizens still call it a democracy.
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Senator Graham has been on the tube today preparing us for the Senate Republicans to flush this as fast as possible. They don't want to call Adam Schitt as a fact witness nor anyone else for that matter. He could burn Schitt down, but he won't do it. I don't have much faith in any of them at this point.
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Demons have the votes.
But since they know it's going nowhere & may harm them, they may never call the vote of the floor.
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In addition to Romney, I think Collins and Murkowski are untrustworthy. All it will take are four Senators jumping ship and the Senate trial become very a different ball game, a lot of the trial proceedings, witnesses, etc., will be decided on by a 51 vote majority. No, it takes a 2/3 vote in the Senate to remove the President. They need 66 votes to do that. I don't think they can come up with that. 2/3 vote for removal, a 51 vote majority for deciding procedures during the trial. Gotcha, wouldn't McConnell have a lot of say in that? I see him as more friend than foe to Trump and wouldn't think he would allow anything that would deny Trump a fair trial.
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A motion for dismissal will require 51 votes, does McConnell have the votes? The rules package governing an impeachement trial are still up in the air. It could get interesting if nothing is agreed upon. McConnell doesn't know if he even has the votes to pass a partisan rules package. https://thehill.com/homenews/senate...isan-rules-package-for-impeachment-trialMcConnell said he’ll try to negotiate a deal with Senate Democratic Leader Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.) but that if it fails he’ll try to muster 51 votes in the Senate Republican Conference to set the rules of the trial.
“It would depend on what we could agree to,” McConnell told reporters when asked if he would prefer to reach a bipartisan deal to set the parameters of the trial.
“That failing, I would probably come back to my own members and say, ‘OK, can 51 of us agree [on] how we’re going to handle this?’” McConnell said.
But McConnell acknowledged that he may not even have 51 votes in his own conference on the measure that determines how much time the impeachment managers and the defense will have to present their cases and what witnesses, if any, will be called to the Senate floor.
McConnell said that if he and Schumer fail to reach a deal and there aren’t 51 Republican votes for a rules package then there would be a freewheeling series of votes on various motions, ranging from the management of floor time to summoning witnesses.
“My assumption is once you heard the arguments on both sides, motions would be made. My suspicion is the chief justice would not want to rule on those. He would submit them to the Senate, and 51 of us would decide on a case-by-case basis how to go forward,” McConnell said.
The scenarios laid out by the GOP leader signal skepticism within the Senate that there would be the same bipartisan agreement on how to proceed as there was before the 1999 impeachment trial of then-President Clinton.
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Remember why, specifically, the Bill of Rights was written...remember its purpose. It was written to limit the power of government over the individual.
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I don't think it political strategy on the whole.
Think so many Dems are out of their friggin minds, hate Trump, and are so crooked.............they believe it's all or nothing.
And those of that type, tend to listen to only others of same.
Let em sink, the bastards.
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Senator Rob Portman of Ohio said yesterday that he will vote not to convict if it comes to that.
Don't blame me. I voted for Trump.
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I don’t trust Graham very far already said he would not call the [bleep] show. What the talk of a secret senate vote? There’s a lot of swamp creatures out there. I think the IG report is going to be a flop and coverup the swamp will protect both sides. Trump needs to watch his back through this and the silent majority need to get out in vote in large numbers of we are going to be peasants once again.
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What really bugs the hell out of me is the way the hard core (Schiff and Nadler) are rewriting definitions - Breitbart just had an article about Nadler rewriting the definition of Treason to encompass what they want to charge Trump with. The fat little basta*d will stop at nothing to get his way.
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What really bugs the hell out of me is the way the hard core (Schiff and Nadler) are rewriting definitions - Breitbart just had an article about Nadler rewriting the definition of Treason to encompass what they want to charge Trump with. The fat little basta*d will stop at nothing to get his way. Never trust a man who pulls his pchucking pants up to his armpits.
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