MD, I don't know where the information on the run of 1000 in 1922 originally came from, but it seems accepted by most sources and the few examples I have seen back it up.
Accepting the 1000 run as fact, based on the two numbers I have, the serial numbers of these can be narrowed down to fall in the range from 146288 to 147954. These last 1000 would have crowned barrels and the matte blue finish on the receivers instead of the earlier high polish. The one pictured above with the warning stamp is 1452xx and it has the high luster blue - but it also has a crowned barrel, but I think the barrel is a replacement and was the work done to it in the 1930's when it got the warning stamp added.
Here is the letter for 146995, notice there is no mention from JTC of it being in a run of 1000 and he also mentions a production number of "over 150,000", serial numbers do not back that up and the Model 1909 production was serial numbered in with the 1903's and part of the total. (The size of the image had to be reduced to use the attachment option, so it's not very good.)
MD, I don't know where the information on the run of 1000 in 1922 originally came from, but it seems accepted by most sources and the few examples I have seen back it up.
I've got copies of sales from 1919 to 1925 I got from Steve (Savparts) years ago stating the same.
Hey Joe, good to see you around again. If you still are looking for a response to your question to me, let me know. Looks like Gene took care of it. With regard to the "over 150,000" number quoted from JTC's letter, in looking at the log there is a 10- 12 K gap in the log from about 18,500 to 30,000. There is no other gap like this in the log. Those numbers would have fallen into 1904 and 1905.I suppose it could be that no one has reported, sold on GB and an auction house any 1903's in this range. If anyone has a 1903 in the 20 thousands, I'd like to hear about it. Likewise anyone having a Model 1909 boy's rifle above 112,500A, please let me know. These had a different buttstock, forend, sights and barrel but were otherwise the same mechanism as the 1903. JTC thought that was the last 1909 he had a record of.
"Americans have the right and advantage of being armed-unlike the citizens of other countries whose governments are afraid to trust the people with arms." James Madison
in looking at the log there is a 10- 12 K gap in the log from about 18,500 to 30,000.
I have 19782, it's has a replacement barrel that was done sometime after 1914 because it has the longer 1914 style forearm without an extra dovetail in the short position and it has a later barrel stamp. This is one of my favorites because the long forearm makes it look more proportional. I thought I had given you numbers on all of mine, guess not! I also have a number of receiver parts that I've never look at for serial numbers, I'll have to do that, might be something interesting. I have one 1909 just over 112,000, it has the second style ejector, the ejectors are the only variation in 1909s I'm aware of.
Well you guys got my curiosity up i knew i had a rusty parts gun? s/n 3329 i cant find a model number anywhere on it. I do have a 1909 in the 106,000 range. Don
Gene the last number before the chasm is 18693 so I'll add in your 19,782. Yeah even parted out receiver numbers will help fill in the hole. We know the first Model 1909 SN was 101,000A per a JTC letter from Oct 2015 to me.we think and so did JTC the last was 112,500A.
Don if you can't find a model number on it, pretty sure that will be a 1903. I'll add it to the log, Can you say whether it is S,L and LR or short only?
And Merry Christmas to you all.
And good news to report. Lu and I are finally grandparents as of today. Baby boy, everyone doing well. Never thought it would happen and very happy it did.
"Americans have the right and advantage of being armed-unlike the citizens of other countries whose governments are afraid to trust the people with arms." James Madison
Thank you Don. I expect we'll be at the hospital tomorrow.
"Americans have the right and advantage of being armed-unlike the citizens of other countries whose governments are afraid to trust the people with arms." James Madison
All this talk of 1903's has my blood running hot. Truthfully I've been getting a little bored with 99's and have not much love for Savage's other offerings but the 1903 always intrigued me. New Year's resolution: to correct that and acquire a couple 1903's and explore that world for a bit. Y'all really are a pack of enablers, aren'tcha's?
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I would like to thin the herd. I'm sure we can work something out after the holidays if you want to.
"Americans have the right and advantage of being armed-unlike the citizens of other countries whose governments are afraid to trust the people with arms." James Madison
SAV22 BEEN A COUPLE YEARS I HAVEN'T SAID A THING BUT. RICK IS ON THE MONEY ABOUT A LATER MODEL OF A 1903 MODEL! THE FOREARM IS THAT OF A MODEL 1914 LATE MODEL 1903. THE 1903 MODEL HAS A VERY SHORT FOREARM FIVE INCH IN LENGTH. ALSO THE BUTTSTOCK ON THE MODEL1903 HAS ROUNDED PISTOL GRIP NOT A TYPE LIKE THE TRUE 1914 MODEL AND A CURVED METAL BUTTPLATE NOT A SHOGUN TYPE. THE THING I SEE THAT NO ONE SAID A THING ABOUT, IS THE REAR RIFLE SIGHT MOST DIFFENATTEY A MODEL 1914 TYPE NOT THE EARLY 1903 TYPE. MAY BEEN PUT ON AT A LATER DATE?
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The rifle is marked short,long,and long rifle its complete minus the buttstock. Don