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appeal-to-heavenThe Appeal to Heaven Flag was one of the “Independence flags” used by the American colonist’s during the American Revolution. The flag was used originally in October 1775 when George Washington acting as commander-in-chief of the Continental Army, commissioned six warships to display the flags during their war with the British.

The phrase “Appeal to Heaven” is used several times in the political writings of John Locke. In his published work, The Two Treatises of Government. Locke draws from the Bible to illustrate the principle:

What is my Remedy against a Robber, that so broke into my House? Appeal to the Law for Justice. But perhaps Justice is denied, or I am crippled and cannot stir, robbed and have not the means to do it. If God has taken away all means of seeking remedy, there is nothing left but patience. But my Son, when able, may seek the Relief of the Law, which I am denied: He or his Son may renew his Appeal, till he recover his Right. But the Conquered, or their Children, have no Court, no Arbitrator on Earth to appeal to. Then they may appeal, as Jephthah did, to Heaven, and repeat their Appeal, till they have recovered the native Right of their Ancestors

Our Founding Father understood that an “Appeal to Heaven” was the last resort for any oppressed people when all other form of redress of grievances has been exhausted. This principle was also taught by Christ in the Parable of the Persistent Widow found in Luke 18:1-8.

America’s Founding Fathers, took this as a slogan after they had realized that years of appeals to the British Government to address their issues had fallen upon deaf ears. The Declaration of Independence made it known to the King of England that they were going over his head. Their appeal now would be to the King of Kings!

We, therefore, the Representatives of the united States of America, in General Congress, Assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the [righteousness] of our intentions, do, in the Name, and by Authority of the good People of these Colonies, solemnly publish and declare, That these United Colonies are, and of Right ought to be Free and Independent States.

How did a nation of “farmers with pitchforks” defeat the greatest military superpower of the day? Our Founding Fathers cite two reasons. First, their cause was righteous. Second, they firmly believed that their appeal to heaven resulted in God moving on behalf of the newly created American nation. Today’s secularist would have us to believe that God does not exist and that He does not intercede in the affairs of men. The testimony of our Founding Fathers disagrees.

On August 1, 1776, Samuel Adams delivered the follow speech at the State House in Philadelphia: “There are instances of, I would say, an almost astonishing providence in our favor; our success has staggered our enemies, and almost given faith to infidels; so we may truly say it is not our own arm which has saved us. The hand of Heaven appears to have led us on to be, perhaps, humble instruments and means in the great providential dispensation which is completing. We have fled from the political Sodom; let us not look back lest we perish and become a monument of infamy and derision to the world.

George Washington stated that if a person could not see the hand of God during their great struggle, they were worse than an unbeliever: “The Hand of providence has been so conspicuous in all this, that he must be worse than an infidel that lacks faith, and more than wicked, that has not gratitude enough to acknowledge his obligations.”

During this time, the Constitutional Convention in 1787, the deliberations were deadlocked, and some of the delegates from New York had even left. Just when things began to look hopeless that the United States would ever have a federal Constitution, Benjamin Franklin stood and addressed George Washington and the other delegates.

James Madison, the convention’s Secretary, recorded for all posterity the words of Benjamin Franklin. What Mr. Franklin said on the floor of the Constitutional Convention is relevant today to counter those who insist that our founding fathers never intended God, prayer or the Bible to influence the affairs of government. Here is a portion of what he said:

In the beginning of the contest with Great Britain, when we were sensible of danger, we had daily prayer in this room for our divine protection. Our prayers, Sir, were heard, and they were graciously answered. All of us who were engaged in the struggle must have observed frequent instances of a superintending Providence in our favor. To that kind of Providence, we owe this happy opportunity of consulting in peace on the means of establishing our future national [happiness]. And have we now forgotten this powerful friend? Or do we imagine we no longer need His assistance? I have lived, Sir, a long time, and the longer I live, the more convincing proofs I see of this truth— that God governs in the affairs of men. And if a sparrow cannot fall to the ground without His notice, is it probable that an empire cannot rise without His aid? We have been assured, Sir, in the sacred writings, that “except the Lord build the house, they labor in vain that build it.” I firmly believe this; and I also believe that without His concurring aid, we shall succeed in this political building no better than the builders of Babel… I therefore beg leave to move—that henceforth prayers imploring the assistance of heaven, and its blessing on our deliberations, be held in this assembly every morning before we proceed to business, and that one or more of the clergy of this city be requested to officiate in that service.

When an objective and unbiased individual reads Mr. Franklin’s speech on the floor of the Constitutional Convention, one cannot help but acknowledge many truths about Mr. Franklin, his faith and the role he felt that God and Christianity should play in the affairs of government.

He felt it was perfectly acceptable for government officials, as part of their official duties, to pray and ask God for divine guidance, direction, favor and protection for their nation.
He believed in a personal God who not only heard their prayers, but also answered them.
He believed God had personally intervened in the war and had shown favor to the colonists’ cause.
He demonstrates his knowledge of the Judeo-Christian Bible by referring to the “sacred writings,” and then quoting two scripture passages and referring to another biblical event. This shows that he used the Judeo-Christian Bible as the basis for his religious beliefs
He asked the questions, “And have we now forgotten this powerful friend? Or do we imagine we no longer need His assistance?” Mr. Franklin was aware of the tendency of man to forget God and think that we no longer need His assistance.
America is presently in the midst of serious political, social, moral and political trouble. The situation appears to be so grave that the American people need to once again ask ourselves: “Have we now forgotten this powerful friend? Or do we imagine we no longer need His assistance? It is for these reasons that the American Christian Leadership Alliance has adopted the “Appeal to Heaven” symbol and slogan for the next civil rights movement.

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Can you just stop your absurd appeals to authority and lay our your case in your own words, or are you not capable of original thought?


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Originally Posted by Robert_White
Here is my gripe...

Celebrating sodomy strikes at the very heart of our laws, as defined by Blackstone Jefferson etc.
We lose absolutely everything our nation was built upon.



True, but as I said in my earlier post, there are Sodomites on this site that want to flaunt what they are doing, and try to make those of us who do not agree with them, accept their behavior as normal.

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As far as I am concerned, any person who believes homosexuality is okay is no better than a queer themselves.

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Originally Posted by Robert_White
Here is my gripe...

Celebrating sodomy strikes at the very heart of our laws, as defined by Blackstone Jefferson etc.
We lose absolutely everything our nation was built upon.


Trump swore an oath to The Constitution, the whole Constitution which includes the 14th Amendment. Honoring the 14th and not discriminating does not equate to "celebrating sodomy".

So, answer my earlier question. Just how far do you want to go with your discriminatory practices?


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Cool, the Bobby and Jimmy show.. (That's Robert and James for those of you in Flint, MI.).

The founders found wisdom in the writings and principles of the ancient Greek as well, and the Greeks were also some of the most notorious turd burglers of their time, your argument is lacking.



Hardly...
You spit on Sam Adams who envisioned Boston as Christian Sparta.
If you had ever studied Augustine you would know that Christians affirmed gold that is gold and wisdom that is wisdom, specifically the wisdom of the Romans in their Republican form of govt. They affirmed this wisdom while rejecting their vices.

Everyone used to know these things...
Now I am called weird.
Bizarre.
Too many hours watching godless new York Jewish sarcasm sitcoms


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Sharia will prove to be popular.



So Patrick Henry was Presbyterian Taliban?


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Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by Robert_White
Here is my gripe...

Celebrating sodomy strikes at the very heart of our laws, as defined by Blackstone Jefferson etc.
We lose absolutely everything our nation was built upon.


Trump swore an oath to The Constitution, the whole Constitution which includes the 14th Amendment. Honoring the 14th and not discriminating does not equate to "celebrating sodomy".

So, answer my earlier question. Just how far do you want to go with your discriminatory practices?


My default position is the foundation stone...
The laws of nature and nature's God.
Sodomy is not a God given inalienable right that governments exist to sustain. It is an evil that they should in some manner mitigate and suppress.


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Originally Posted by Robert_White
Here is my gripe...

Celebrating sodomy strikes at the very heart of our laws, as defined by Blackstone Jefferson etc.
We lose absolutely everything our nation was built upon.



True, but as I said in my earlier post, there are Sodomites on this site that want to flaunt what they are doing, and try to make those of us who do not agree with them, accept their behavior as normal.


Many people who consider themselves conservatives have had their mind contaminated by politically and culturally correst leftism,...and they're not aware of it.

Whoever you may happen to be,..you represent an identity.

My fundamental identity is: Conservative, heterosexual, Caucasian male.

As far as I'm concerned, I want everybody in positions of authority to be a conservative, heterosexual, Caucasian male.

Anybody who wants people in positions of authority to be something other than what *they* are is a fuggin' idiot who has had their brains turned to schitt by political and cultural correctness that's been pushed by leftism.

If you're a conservative, heterosexual, Caucasian male you're not going to be properly represented by a homo,...or by a feminist,...or by any minority.

You will only find proper representation among your own kind.

Those people who are apologetics for homosexuals, feminists, and minorities are just fugged in the head.

Everybody on the planet looks out for themselves and their own through identity,....except for *some* heterosexual Caucasians.

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Why is thiis Robert White fool, with cheerleading from tired old Bristoe, blathering on and on about Locke, Blackstone, etc?

Neither the Dclaration of independence (which is not the law) nor the Constitution (which is the law) mentions Locke or Blackstone.

Nor does either mention homosexuality.

In fact, neither one mentions Jesus or Christianity.

The way I see it, President Trump thinks we have picked the best candidate to represent the United States in Germany. Robert White disagrees. President Trump is right. Robert White isn't.





Don't blame me. I voted for Trump.

Democrats would burn this country to the ground, if they could rule over the ashes.
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Originally Posted by Robert_White
Here is my gripe...

Celebrating sodomy strikes at the very heart of our laws, as defined by Blackstone Jefferson etc.
We lose absolutely everything our nation was built upon.
.......................Well then...DO NOT VOTE FOR TRUMP in November....


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Originally Posted by JamesJr
Originally Posted by Robert_White
Here is my gripe...

Celebrating sodomy strikes at the very heart of our laws, as defined by Blackstone Jefferson etc.
We lose absolutely everything our nation was built upon.



True, but as I said in my earlier post, there are Sodomites on this site that want to flaunt what they are doing, and try to make those of us who do not agree with them, accept their behavior as normal.




You both are too obtuse to realize that not demonizing everyone/thing that is antithetical to you is different from celebrating or flaunting that thing. I have read this thread in its' entirety and have yet to see anyone defend aberrant behavior.

What I have seen is a lot of scripture spouting hypocrites proclaiming those in disagreement to be sodomites. Some may call that 'Bearing false witness against their neighbor' Not very christian. Embrace the fact that the freak is no longer here but is busy representing you to furrinersgrin


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Originally Posted by IndyCA35
Why is thiis Robert White fool, with cheerleading from tired old Bristoe, blathering on and on about Locke, Blackstone, etc?

Neither the Dclaration of independence (which is not the law) nor the Constitution (which is the law) mentions Locke or Blackstone.

Nor does either mention homosexuality.

In fact, neither one mentions Jesus or Christianity.

The way I see it, President Trump thinks we have picked the best candidate to represent the United States in Germany. Robert White disagrees. President Trump is right. Robert White isn't.





If Trump picked a homo to represent America,...then Trump made a mistake.

It's not his first.

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,...got the Jew crew in here talking up homosexuality.

Why am I not surprised?

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Originally Posted by IndyCA35
Why is thiis Robert White fool, with cheerleading from tired old Bristoe, blathering on and on about Locke, Blackstone, etc?

Neither the Dclaration of independence (which is not the law) nor the Constitution (which is the law) mentions Locke or Blackstone.

Nor does either mention homosexuality.

In fact, neither one mentions Jesus or Christianity.

The way I see it, President Trump thinks we have picked the best candidate to represent the United States in Germany. Robert White disagrees. President Trump is right. Robert White isn't.




Honestly...
That is the dumbest thing you have ever posted.


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Originally Posted by bigsqueeze
Originally Posted by Robert_White
Here is my gripe...

Celebrating sodomy strikes at the very heart of our laws, as defined by Blackstone Jefferson etc.
We lose absolutely everything our nation was built upon.
.......................Well then...DO NOT VOTE FOR TRUMP in November....


Wait and see how it goes down in Virginia.
Trump will throw the patriots under the bus when it gets ugly, as it surely will.
His promotion of Cullen is ominous.

https://www.amren.com/commentary/2019/12/president-trump-thomas-cullen-ram-antifa/

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Originally Posted by Bristoe
,...got the Jew crew in here talking up homosexuality.

Why am I not surprised?



You are joking right?


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Originally Posted by Bristoe
,...got the Jew crew in here talking up homosexuality.

Why am I not surprised?



This is your takeaway, why am I not surprised? Criscoe walks outside {occasionally] ,sees bamboo sprouting on the estate and rushes to his recliner to make 30 posts about homo joos invading the bloogas!



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Originally Posted by Jim_Conrad
Originally Posted by Bristoe
,...got the Jew crew in here talking up homosexuality.

Why am I not surprised?



You are joking right?




Not a bit.

I've seen it way too much.

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,...and you're a young man.

You're going to see that and much more in your life.

Count on it.

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