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They were not listening to Christ.

So far, everything you have said is unsupported BS. Stuff you believe as fervently as any Christian does the Resurrection, but with even less proof.

3,000 dead on 9/11 is not an unsupported assertion. Do you deny the hijackers were Muslim and following their moral system based upon their reading of their holy system?

I'm saying it's wrong, just like yours.

It has the same basis as your, and they claimed the same about you, your faith, and their victim, and their faith on that day.

The greatest of immoralities can be justified under Divine Command Theory. A simple example of this is how the Bible justifies the alleged genocide in Numbers 31.

If you must have an answer to every question, “infinite being” can’t only be the answer sometimes.

This doesn’t sound very infinite being like.

No, it doesn't. My faith is attested by witnesses. Islam isn't.
The alleged "genocide" in Numbers 31 just shows your ignorance. You have no idea what happened to those people. Why are they any different than anyone else in history who passed away? You don't know. what if those people were judged righteously after death and those judged innocent are living in a paradise so wonderful that you can't even begin to imagine it? You don't know. You are a fool who supposes to be wiser than an infinite being.

Great job displaying your ignorance. The Gospels are all anonymous. In contrast the Ḥadīths all have a trail of who allegedly heard the quote or witnessed the act of the Prophet Muhammad, along with the trail of who relayed it to who, and who first wrote it down. The Attestations of Islam far surpass those of Christianity.

As for Numbers 31, are you claiming it never happened, or that the genocide was justified?

It doesn't matter what Mohammed said, he was even more selfish & stupid than you.

Re: Numbers 31 - I'm saying that God knows better than you. Your views come from an incomplete understanding I've why we are here and what awaits us after death.

BTW, we know who authored the Gospels, but we don't know who wrote all of them. Just like we know who the author is of your hero's book, "Dreams from My Father", we just aren't sure who wrote it.

Come on Tyrone, you know I don't support Obama. You are better than this.

You asset "God knows better than you", but I see no good evidence for the god you use to justify your positions. Further this is an admission on your part that you are unable to properly analyze the morality of the above passage for yourself. If you were an independent moral agent, you wouldn't need to fall back on the week position of "good knows better", but be able to analyze it for yourself with out presupposing that because it appeared in a give book it's necessarily morally correct.

Again, you are presuming to know better than God. God said "Thou shalt not murder" so if He called for the deaths of some people, I'd think you'd understand that He had His reasons for doing so.

I don't think you even understand why God said "Thou shalt not murder". Maybe you could explain your understanding of it to me. Why is murder wrong, AS?

Tyrone,

You have not met your burden of proof establishing your alleged god even exists. I cannot presume to know better than something for which I see no good reason to believe it even exists.

Can you justify your hatred of gays without resorting to the supernatural?

Irrespective of whether or not there is a God, how do YOU justify prohibitions against murder?

If I were to play the Devil's Advocate, I'd say your reasons are BS.

Normative ethics identifies such prohibitions as societal pacts that have obvious benefits for all members.

Kingston, murder seems to be working pretty well for some Drug lords and dictators, so therefore your assertion is false. And who decides what "benefits" are?

Perhaps there's a certain level where society benefits?

Anyway, your assertion is BS.

ETA: Here's another question - why would it be "normative"? Is the World designed like that or something? Can't we make our own reality?

The class “Drug Lords and Dictators” is extremely narrow. What benefits a minuscule subset of dissenters is hardly relevant. Your burden is to show how not having a prohibition against murder would benefit society at large.

Actually not. The history of the World is one of subjugation. The fact that you live in a free country is the exception in history, not the rule. In fact, I'd say it an exception even today.

https://reason.com/2014/05/15/be-antigovernment-and-proud/

From the Arabic...

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Remember, I'm just playing Devil's Advocate here.

I can easily say that you are simply jealous of people who take power. Nothing irrational about it. Do you really think that Xi is irrational? I could say that the prohibition on murder is just for the little people like you. A control mechanism that allows some to take & keep power.

There's only one argument that can make those reasons null & void. And neither you nor AS have it.

You asked a question. I provided a contemporary answer to it.

I have no interest in a prolonged argument with someone entrenched in dogma.