Call me outdated, but the .30 Gov’t 06 (200s at 2730), .270 Win (150s at 3050), and .300 Win Mag (200s at 3000) pretty much leave the 6.5 Creedmoor at the curb for what I do.
My main two hunting rifles are a 6.5 Creedmoor and a .30-06, so I guess that would be my answer. I see the CreedBro as a deer cartridge that will work for elk, and the .30-06 as an elk cartridge that's a bit heavy (but obviously will still work) for deer.
I used 127gr LRX in my 6.5 to take my cow at 375 yds this year, one down through the high shoulder clipping the bottom of the spine, and another through the neck, both hit a good bit of bone, wrecked a bunch of stuff and exited. Same with a 140gr Accubond through the ribs two years ago, two holes, nice damage in between. On the other hand, I caught both of the 180gr Accubonds from my .30-06 in last year's cow at 320yds. Not sure why I see the .30-06 as the next step up, I didn't get as much penetration, but the effect of those 180s hitting was immediately apparent, and the damage they caused was impressive. I might give 200gr ABs or 168gr TTSX/LRX a try next year, I like seeing two holes.
If your hunting style gives you time to slip on some hearing protection, I think a braked 300 wsm in Kimber Mt would be a great rifle. I have one and I just don’t enjoy shooting it. It’s either getting a brake or getting sold.
Originally Posted by bwinters
Funny, I was looking at another Kimber 300 WSM today on GB. With Talleys and a NF SHV, I'd expect it to go 7.65 lbs. My previous 300 WSM (M70 EW) killed 2 bulls and it was pretty decisive. It weighed too much over 8lbs for my liking. I bought an early Montana in 300 WSM and it fed rough plus with a 3-9 VX2 and Talley's recoiled more than I liked - but that was just before my shoulder surgery for a torn labrum. I hate this time of year..................
I hear ya. I buy a 300 WSM in some flavor every 4-5 years, load 180s to 2950 or so and decide it's a bit much in lightish rifles. After re-evaluating my current 280 AI load (160 Accubond at 2950), its damn close to the 300 WSM in all categories with enough less recoil to make it a better mousetrap for my style of hunting. Inside 300 yards, my 338 Federal (210 Partition at 2600) covers the 300 WSM ground - again with tolerable recoil. I'm getting soft in my old age......
I had this conversation with a friend and he said 7mm rem mag would be a clear step up in speed and long range terminal ballistics.
Of all the short-fat craze I believe the 7mm SAUM is the best designed. It is the one with a sufficient neck for heavy bullet proper seating. I think that might be one reason it hangs on.
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If your hunting style gives you time to slip on some hearing protection, I think a braked 300 wsm in Kimber Mt would be a great rifle. I have one and I just don’t enjoy shooting it. It’s either getting a brake or getting sold.
Calvin, remember giving me a raft of chit for getting scoped by my Kimber MT 300 WSM with two quick shots off-hand under field conditions?
Maybe it makes a little more sense to you now... and yes, the above dead bull (180 Partitions) was the result.
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Seems like people are awfully emotional about the 6.5 Creedmoor on here. I'm buying one because I hear it's not unpleasant to shoot and has excellent factory ammunition available, not because I think it's a miracle cartridge.
Seems like there's a lot of overlap between the creedmoor and many other non-magnum cartridges like the 7mm-08 and 270 Win - a "the deer won't know the difference" sort of situation.
At what point, as you move up the scale in terms of caliber and case size, do you start seeing a clear increase in performance on game from the creed? I'm asking because I like to have rifles that do different things and aren't very redundant.
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Yup.
I actually used one I had to shoot coyotes out my bedroom window. I shot 350gr Speer varmint bullets. It was good practice with a rifle used seldom and then only for big-nasties.
I'm not a Creedmore fan, nor am I a detractor. It's a good round and especially for kids, women, and recoil conscious shooters of any stripe. I like a 6.5, and mine was first developed 125 years ago.
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I recall it being a bit different than that but I certainly am not going to look it up.
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Originally Posted by Brad
Originally Posted by Calvin
If your hunting style gives you time to slip on some hearing protection, I think a braked 300 wsm in Kimber Mt would be a great rifle. I have one and I just don’t enjoy shooting it. It’s either getting a brake or getting sold.
Calvin, remember giving me a raft of chit for getting scoped by my Kimber MT 300 WSM with two quick shots off-hand under field conditions?
Maybe it makes a little more sense to you now... and yes, the above dead bull (180 Partitions) was the result.
If your hunting style gives you time to slip on some hearing protection, I think a braked 300 wsm in Kimber Mt would be a great rifle. I have one and I just don’t enjoy shooting it. It’s either getting a brake or getting sold.
Originally Posted by bwinters
Funny, I was looking at another Kimber 300 WSM today on GB. With Talleys and a NF SHV, I'd expect it to go 7.65 lbs. My previous 300 WSM (M70 EW) killed 2 bulls and it was pretty decisive. It weighed too much over 8lbs for my liking. I bought an early Montana in 300 WSM and it fed rough plus with a 3-9 VX2 and Talley's recoiled more than I liked - but that was just before my shoulder surgery for a torn labrum. I hate this time of year..................
Are suppressors legal in AK Calvin.....grin.... Invest in one, seriously....
If your hunting style gives you time to slip on some hearing protection, I think a braked 300 wsm in Kimber Mt would be a great rifle. I have one and I just don’t enjoy shooting it. It’s either getting a brake or getting sold.
[quote=bwinters]Funny, I was looking at another Kimber 300 WSM today on GB. With Talleys and a NF SHV, I'd expect it to go 7.65 lbs. My previous 300 WSM (M70 EW) killed 2 bulls and it was pretty decisive. It weighed too much over 8lbs for my liking. I bought an early Montana in 300 WSM and it fed rough plus with a 3-9 VX2 and Talley's recoiled more than I liked - but that was just before my shoulder surgery for a torn labrum. I hate this time of year..................
I really want to go that route, but, Local FFL ain’t interested. I would have to travel off island to do paperwork.
Not to muddy the water too much, but I tagged two cows with a Montana 325 WSM with 200's. I don't recall that being as punchy as my 300 WSM with 180's - but that was 10+ years ago and memories sometimes fade.
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338 Fed in short action ( can't believe they are not more popular) 225gr bullet ... good for anything...
I'm surprised too..... KINDA.
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I think MOST would HAVE to admit the 338 F doesn't have a great trajectory so.....
I really like my 6.5 Creedmoor (Barrett Fieldcraft) and my 338 Fed (84M). Surprisingly, my 338 Fed hunting load of 160 TTSXs shoots flatter than my 6.5 hunting load with 139 Scenars at any range I intend to shoot (<500, likely much less). That’s for 9k elevation where I’m Muley hunting. The 6.5 is rather better on windage however. If I use the 127 LRX load at 2940fps the trajectory is nearly identical. I am not making a case for the 338 Fed as a long range cartridge, it’s not, but for more typical ranges it’s not as bad as many seem to believe.
But the 338 is a clear step up when shooting elk at moderate ranges.
I’d say any cartridge that pushes a .700 G1 bullet of 160 gr or more at 3000fps or faster.
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I really like my 6.5 Creedmoor (Barrett Fieldcraft) and my 338 Fed (84M). Surprisingly, my 338 Fed hunting load of 160 TTSXs shoots flatter than my 6.5 hunting load with 139 Scenars at any range I intend to shoot (<500, likely much less). That’s for 9k elevation where I’m Muley hunting. The 6.5 is rather better on windage however. If I use the 127 LRX load at 2940fps the trajectory is nearly identical. I am not making a case for the 338 Fed as a long range cartridge, it’s not, but for more typical ranges it’s not as bad as many seem to believe.
But the 338 is a clear step up when shooting elk at moderate ranges.
Seriously you may be right, I don't know off the cuff.
OR
The 6.5 C ain't that good !
I'll take you word on it. The C doesn't do anything for me since I have a 70 in 6.5X55, and rifles larger and smaller than the 338 F. Remember I said "I like the 338 F" and I'm not critical.
